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Cleveland Browns (2008 Season)

I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Of course you don't draft guys in the later rounds expecting them to be able to contribute right away as starters. I think when you're in a situation like the Browns were in, setting an immediate goal for this group of players to upgrade the special teams is a good and realistic goal. However, even if that is the contribution you are expecting, I don't think you should be limiting yourself by going after guys that have special teams as their ceiling. I would hope (and I think that's what Savage has done) that they would bring in guys who could eventually step into roles on offense and defense.

I certainly hope that's the case for Rucker. Otherwise, I don't think it's a very smart move to trade away a future 3rd round pick (where you should reasonably expect to get more than just a special teams player) to get him. He seems like the kind of player that could become a capable fill-in or replacement for Winslow, or could even play in tandem with him in some situations.

I think Hubbard is interesting too. He'll be a project, but with his size maybe he can learn a thing or two from Jurevicius this year and step into that role down the road.

All told, I think the Browns did well given the circumstances. They had some glaring needs (CB, OLB) and some would say they went unfilled. I'm glad that they didn't fall into the trap of trying to draft based on need when their first pick came in the fourth round. The fact is that while you can find good players at the back end of the draft who can contribute down the road, you're not going to find somebody who can step in and fill those needs THIS YEAR. It looks to me like they just went for the best player available, and were bold in making the necessary moves to get the guys they wanted when they could. I think they got some interesting players that could be assets in the future.
 
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jlb1705;1150199; said:
All told, I think the Browns did well given the circumstances. They had some glaring needs (CB, OLB) and some would say they went unfilled. I'm glad that they didn't fall into the trap of trying to draft based on need when their first pick came in the fourth round. The fact is that while you can find good players at the back end of the draft who can contribute down the road, you're not going to find somebody who can step in and fill those needs THIS YEAR. It looks to me like they just went for the best player available, and were bold in making the necessary moves to get the guys they wanted when they could. I think they got some interesting players that could be assets in the future.

Savage's draft strategy is always to take the best player and not to draft for need. He's obviously known as an excellent talent evaluator, and remember that he drafted Derek Anderson and Adalius Thomas as 6th round picks for the Ravens. Neither one contributed much until 3 or 4 years down the road, but both turned out to be steals. As was said, we drafted guys who will immediately help on special teams, but were drafted primarily because of their potential to be eventual starters. That being said, let's hope he gets to work acquiring some CB depth. I'm not real comfortable with just Wright, McDonald, and Holly.
 
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Concerning trading away next year's picks...
I don't get what the big hubbub is about using future picks to move up in a current draft situation. Obviously, to trade up in the first place means that Phil has identified a certain player that he wants on his team, and waiting around to draft that player means that he can't get his man. Furthermore, it's kind of a unique and sly way of, for lack of a better parallel, using a credit card. Let's say that in next year's draft, Phil spots a free-falling DB out of Anywhere State that he has coveted since the combine. However, he doesn't have a third round pick. You borrow against next year's draft, and fill that need. Then, when the next draft rolls around once again, you borrow from that.

At the current rate that the Browns have improved over the last 2-3 seasons, combined with Phil's obvious strength of drafting players, he will get to the point where he will be happy with his picks entering a draft. But until the Browns reach that point, trade away, Mr. Savage.

Trade 2009 picks to get what you want in 2008. Trade 2010 picks to get what you want in 2009. Trade 2011 picks to get what you want in 2010. I am stunned that there aren't more GM's who use this approach, and my thinking is that more of them will start doing so when they see what has been right under their nose all along. Go Phil!

BTW, does anyone else think that either A) the Browns and Cowboys have been having an affair, or B) That Quinn trade has prompted both Phil and Jerry "hot tub shaped like Texas Stadium" Jones are trying to convince each other that they got the better end of that 2007 deal? I figured having the 22nd pick in 07 turning into the 22nd pick in 08 evened things up, but I just wonder...
 
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I have no problem at all with Savage trading next year's 3rd round pick to use on a 4th this year. I was simply using that example to bolster my argument that these players weren't being brought in solely to contribute on special teams.

I like what he's doing and how he's doing it. He's making bold moves to get the players he wants, and he doesn't seem to be overpaying to do it, like other teams and previous Browns front offices have done.
 
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jlb1705;1150324; said:
I have no problem at all with Savage trading next year's 3rd round pick to use on a 4th this year. I was simply using that example to bolster my argument that these players weren't being brought in solely to contribute on special teams.

I like what he's doing and how he's doing it. He's making bold moves to get the players he wants, and he doesn't seem to be overpaying to do it, like other teams and previous Browns front offices have done.

Yep. Certainly wasn't singling you out jlb...
 
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schwab;1150309; said:
Concerning trading away next year's picks...

BTW, does anyone else think that either A) the Browns and Cowboys have been having an affair, or B) That Quinn trade has prompted both Phil and Jerry "hot tub shaped like Texas Stadium" Jones are trying to convince each other that they got the better end of that 2007 deal? I figured having the 22nd pick in 07 turning into the 22nd pick in 08 evened things up, but I just wonder...

Great points on trading away the picks. I like what we did with our draft this year, other than not getting a corner. I would guess Savage has something up his sleeve.

I was also wondering why we kept trading with the Cowboys... very strange.
 
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Browns | N. Moore signs with team
Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:49:42 -0700
Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports the Cleveland Browns have signed undrafted rookie free-agent LB Nick Moore (Baylor). Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

Browns | Reda signs with team
Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:45:03 -0700
Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports the Cleveland Browns have signed undrafted rookie free-agent PK Jason Reda (University of Illinois). Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

Browns | A. Scott signs with team
Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:44:41 -0700
Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports the Cleveland Browns have signed undrafted rookie free-agent RB Austin Scott (Penn State). Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

Browns | Mitchell signs with team
Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:43:11 -0700
Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports the Cleveland Browns have signed undrafted rookie free-agent DE Xavier Mitchell (University of Tennessee). Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

Browns | Schaefering signs with team
Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:23:35 -0700
Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports the Cleveland Browns have signed undrafted rookie free-agent DT Brian Schaefering (Lindenwood). Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

Browns | Leggett agrees to terms
Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:18:30 -0700
Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports the Cleveland Browns have agreed to terms with undrafted rookie free-agent WR Lance Leggett (University of Miami). Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

Browns | Hormann agrees to terms
Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:32:05 -0700
James Walker, of ESPN.com, reports the Cleveland Browns have agreed to terms with undrafted free-agent QB Craig Hormann (Columbia). Terms of the contract were not disclosed.

Well these are our UDFA moves as of 4 am. I'm not seeing anything spectacular and more surprising still not seeing us bringing in a CB.
 
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Browns get busy on second day


Staff Writer

Monday, April 28, 2008

BEREA ? For the Cleveland Browns, the offseason has been about bolstering the front seven of a defense that ranked 30th in the NFL last season.
Their pick of UNLV linebacker Beau Bell in the fourth round Sunday, April 27, furthered that strategy, although his immediate future probably involves busting wedges on kickoff coverage.
"He's going to bring a physical presence to our special teams that we needed," General Manager Phil Savage said. "When we kick off opening day (Sept. 7 against Dallas), Beau will be on the field."
The Browns had no picks Saturday because of trades for quarterback Brady Quinn and defensive linemen Corey Williams and Shaun Rogers, but they made a splash Sunday with several maneuvers, including two trades with the Dallas Cowboys.



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Former Flyers in tryout for Browns

By Mark Gokavi
Staff Writer

Monday, April 28, 2008
All Kevin Hoyng wanted was a shot. The Cleveland Browns are going to give him one. Hoyng's tight end, Matt Champa, will get the same shot.
Hoyng, the University of Dayton quarterback turned hopeful NFL safety, didn't get a free-agent contract offer from Cleveland, but he did get invited to this coming weekend's rookie mini-camp.
"This is my one chance to make it," Hoyng said Sunday night, April 17. "I dreamed of this opportunity all my life, and I'm just going to go in and take my shot."
Hoyng's agent, Dayton-based Ron Todd, said a Browns' scout called at about 6:30 p.m. and offered the tryout.
"(The scout) liked him; they're buying into his upside," Todd said. "They want to invite Kevin up for a three-day 'free look' as I call it. From there, they'll see if they want to sign him or not."
Champa's agent got a call from the Browns at 10 p.m., offering a spot in this weekend's tryout for the 6-foot-3 220-pounder.



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Browns upgrade, obtain backup No veteran cornerback turns up in dealing, but other needs satisfied
By Marla Ridenour
Beacon Journal sportswriter

Published on Monday, Apr 28, 2008
BEREA: In trading up for two picks in the fourth round to draft Beau Bell of UNLV and Martin Rucker of Missouri on Sunday, the Browns took care of two major needs and a contingency plan.
They upgraded their front seven with Bell, a ''hammer-type hitter'' at inside linebacker whom General Manager Phil Savage expects to be on the field for the opening kickoff Sept. 7.
They added an All-American tight end in Rucker, who set the career record for receptions at the same university that produced Hall of Famer Kellen Winslow Sr.
And they found valuable insurance in case offseason surgeries delay the return of tight ends Kellen Winslow Jr. and Steve Heiden or if Winslow stages a training-camp holdout while seeking a renegotiated contract.
The Browns failed to address their lack of a veteran cornerback after sending Leigh Bodden to the Detroit Lions in the trade for defensive tackle Sean Rogers, but that didn't seem to worry Savage.



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Cleveland Browns draft Missouri tight end Martin Rucker


Monday, April 28, 2008Tony Grossi
Plain Dealer Reporter
Longevity issues with Kellen Winslow and a potential contract dispute factored into the Browns making a surprise trade in the fourth round of the draft Sunday.
They gave up their 2009 third-round pick to select pass-catching tight end Martin Rucker of Missouri.
It was the second deal in a matter of minutes for Trader Phil Savage, both times with the Dallas Cowboys, the team that provided the Browns the picks to select Brady Quinn and Eric Wright in draft-day trades last year

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Cleveland Browns' draft pick Paul Hubbard is big receiver who could replace Joe Jurevicius someday


Monday, April 28, 2008Mary Kay Cabot
Plain Dealer Reporter
The Browns are hoping Paul Hubbard, their new, big wide receiver out of Wisconsin, can step in and replace Joe Jurevicius someday.
Jurevicius, entering his 11th season, said after last year that he might retire after the 2008 season despite being under contract through 2009. Jurevicius asked General Manager Phil Savage to replace him as the No. 2 receiver to save some wear and tear, and Savage obliged by signing Dont? Stallworth.
"When Joe decides to retire, after this season or next season, we're hoping Paul can fill that role," Savage said. "He's a bigger receiver [6-2?, 221] and gives us a chance to still play that elevated passing game."




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Cleveland Browns draft pick Martin Rucker joins Kellen Winslow Jr. after breaking Kellen Winslow Sr.'s records


Monday, April 28, 2008Mary Kay Cabot
Plain Dealer Reporter
New Browns tight end Martin Rucker always seems to be following in the footsteps of a Winslow.
Rucker, whom the Browns selected in the fourth round Sunday after trading next year's third-round pick to Dallas, played at the school where NFL Hall of Famer Kellen Winslow Sr. set records, the University of Missouri.
"His name was definitely mentioned a lot when I started breaking his records and things like that," said Rucker, 6-5, 251. "It's funny because he's in the Missouri Hall of Fame and I've never seen him in person."




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Canton

Browns GM Savage again deals on draft day
Monday, April 28, 2008
BY Steve Doerschuk
REPOSITORY SPORTS WRITER

BEREA Death and taxes. A pesky pair there. But are even they as sure as Phil Savage pulling off a draft-day trade?

After a deep sleep of a draft Saturday, Savage stepped on the gas with a Sunday drive that left the Browns with potential starters at inside linebacker and tight end.

Savage woke up Sunday scheduled to make his first pick of the draft at No. 122.

"Then I got hectic," he said.

He traded into the No. 104 spot to get UNLV linebacker Beau Bell and into the No. 111 hole to grab Missouri tight end Martin Rucker. By the end of the day, Savage had made one deal and jumped his trade total involving draft picks to 19 in fewer than 3 1/2 years.

NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said the latest motive was obvious: "Phil Savage thinks they can win a Super Bowl now."

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Browns grab 'thumper' LB
Monday, April 28, 2008
BY Steve Doerschuk
REPOSITORY SPORTS WRITER

BEREA Steal? Or no steal?

The Browns hope they pulled off a double steal Sunday in drafting UNLV linebacker Beau Bell and Missouri tight end Martin Rucker.

After trading up to take those two in the fourth round, they finished their abbreviated 2008 draft with:

? "The Charlie Frye pick," defensive lineman Ahtyba Rubin. He was obtained in Round 6 via the deal that sent Frye to the Seahawks last September, at No. 190 overall.

? Wide receiver Paul Hubbard of Wisconsin, picked at 191 overall, after a trade for a Round 5 pick next year.

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