Cleveland Browns (2008 Season)

[tsteele316]

I would much rather have the Browns hire this guy then they guy from Baltimore who is Mangini's man. Heckert at least works with Andy Reid when it comes to personnel decisions. It sounds like the only way the Browns can get the guy from Baltimore if he has total control and we have gone down that path before. If it means that we lose out on Mangini so be it, there are plenty of guys out there who want to be HC's in the NFL.

It sounds like Heckert as a good relationship with Spagnuolo. Out of all the coordinators if we end up going that route I would not mind having him come from the Giants. At least he has some fire in his belly and runs a 4-3. Mangini ran a 3-4 :(with the Jets.

if you look at philly's drafts under heckert, it isn't exactly awe inspiring. the whole absolute power ploy with kokinis is a red herring. that is/was one of the major hangups regarding pioli. lerner doesn't want to go down that road again.

what's being said about kokinis is that he will have the GM title, and handle most of the pro personnel stuff, and TJ Mcreight will be what Savage was in Baltimore. That is a situation that is certainly palatable. kokinis given absolute power is a disaster waiting to happen.

i also have no problem with mangini and the 3-4, provided that the rumors of mike nolan being the DC are true. He at least was mildly aggressive running that scheme.

 

[LitlBuck]

if you look at philly's drafts under heckert, it isn't exactly awe inspiring. the whole absolute power ploy with kokinis is a red herring. that is/was one of the major hangups regarding pioli. lerner doesn't want to go down that road again.

what's being said about kokinis is that he will have the GM title, and handle most of the pro personnel stuff, and TJ Mcreight will be what Savage was in Baltimore. That is a situation that is certainly palatable. kokinis given absolute power is a disaster waiting to happen.

i also have no problem with mangini and the 3-4, provided that the rumors of mike nolan being the DC are true. He at least was mildly aggressive running that scheme.

Baltimore has said that the only way their guy can come to the Browns is if he is given the same "power" that Savage had with the Browns or they will not release him.

I have not seen any rumors about Nolan becoming the DC if Mangini is named the HC. In fact, it would not surprise me to see Romeo stay on as DC. The players love him and Lerner would like to keep him in the organization.

The reason I would like to get the Eagles guy is that he must have done some things right over the years because they have a pretty good team. Granted, a lot of that is due to their coaching and schemes but you still need the players. I am also tired of the New England and Baltimore people that we keep getting. Mangini was at New England before going to New York.

 

[tsteele316]

Baltimore has said that the only way their guy can come to the Browns is if he is given the same "power" that Savage had with the Browns or they will not release him.

I have not seen any rumors about Nolan becoming the DC if Mangini is named the HC. In fact, it would not surprise me to see Romeo stay on as DC. The players love him and Lerner would like to keep him in the organization.

The reason I would like to get the Eagles guy is that he must have done some things right over the years because they have a pretty good team. Granted, a lot of that is due to their coaching and schemes but you still need the players. I am also tired of the New England and Baltimore people that we keep getting. Mangini was at New England before going to New York.

if kokinis is given the title of GM, I don't think Baltimore can block his departure under the anti-tampering rules. I think that was one of those red herring rumors that have been floating out there.

as i said, the eagles drafts the past few years have not inspiring much confidence. their coaching staff is the engine that makes that team run.

i also hate the argument that because X came from NE and failed, the next guy from NE will automatically fail. Mangini had a fairly successful stint with the Jets. Favre cost him his job there.

as for kokinis, as I said, if cleveland is planning on using a set-up where kokinis is the GM, but primarily handles the pro personnel aspect with mcreight handling the scouting department then I'm fine with it. the baltimore front office is one of the best in the league.

 

[LitlBuck]

if kokinis is given the title of GM, I don't think Baltimore can block his departure under the anti-tampering rules. I think that was one of those red herring rumors that have been floating out there.

as i said, the eagles drafts the past few years have not inspiring much confidence. their coaching staff is the engine that makes that team run.

i also hate the argument that because X came from NE and failed, the next guy from NE will automatically fail. Mangini had a fairly successful stint with the Jets. Favre cost him his job there.

as for kokinis, as I said, if cleveland is planning on using a set-up where kokinis is the GM, but primarily handles the pro personnel aspect with mcreight handling the scouting department then I'm fine with it. the baltimore front office is one of the best in the league.

I can not state the NFL rule word for word but I think you know that if one team wants to hire an executive from another team that the team doing the hiring must give that executive a higher position than what he has with his current team. I don't know if that is a red herring or not.

I guess my problem with Mangini is that if he comes to Cleveland (and I think that's almost a lock) and runs the 3-4 that we will once again have problems on defense because we do not have the personnel for that defense. I also do not like the fact that Mangini is "dictating" to a certain extent of the Browns hire as their GM. I agree with you regarding the Jets and Favre. I just my thought is how many coaches can one organization turn out but at least Mangini did have HC experience.

From what I have read, the guy from Baltimore will be responsible for all personnel decisions if he comes to Cleveland.

 

[tsteele316]

I can not state the NFL rule word for word but I think you know that if one team wants to hire an executive from another team that the team doing the hiring must give that executive a higher position than what he has with his current team. I don't know if that is a red herring or not.

I guess my problem with Mangini is that if he comes to Cleveland (and I think that's almost a lock) and runs the 3-4 that we will once again have problems on defense because we do not have the personnel for that defense. I also do not like the fact that Mangini is "dictating" to a certain extent of the Browns hire as their GM. I agree with you regarding the Jets and Favre. I just my thought is how many coaches can one organization turn out but at least Mangini did have HC experience.

From what I have read, the guy from Baltimore will be responsible for all personnel decisions if he comes to Cleveland.

1. the title of GM as laid out in the nfl anti-tampering rules is technically a promotion from kokinis' current position.

2. while technically the gm does have the final say in all personnel decisions, the idea behind the proposed set-up is getting a group of guys that can co-exist and interact with each other vs. savage's rumored dictator-like style, where he did what he wanted, regardless of whether or not it was with or against the opinion of the scouting department and coaching staff.

3. really, i think cleveland is only 3 players away from being able to run the 3-4 with some real efficiency.

 

[LitlBuck]

Cleveland.com

Source says Mangini is targeting New York Jets assistant coaches
by Mary Kay Cabot
Wednesday January 07, 2009, 10:53 AM

CLEVELAND -- Fired New York Jets coach Eric Mangini, frontrunner for the Browns head coaching job, has reportedly talked to at least two of his Jets assistants about joining him in Cleveland, a source with knowledge of the situation told The Plain Dealer.

Mangini has targeted current Jets quarterbacks coach Brian Daboll and current Jets receivers coach Noel Mazzone for key offensive positions with the Browns, the source said.
Mangini is also hoping to hire current Jets offensive coordinator Bill Callahan as his offensive coordinator, the New York Daily News reported. But Callahan, who is well-respected by the Jets, recently interviewed for their head coaching vacancy and might not be let out of his contract.

If Mangini can't land Callahan, he'll most likely turn to Daboll as his offensive coordinator, the source said. In that case, Mazzone, a longtime college quarterbacks coach, would coach the Browns quarterbacks.
Current Browns offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski, who runs the same offense that Jets coordinator Brian Schottenheimer ran with the Jets, has not yet talked to Mangini, a source said.

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Mangini is also expected to talk to his close friend Romeo Crennel about remaining with the team in some capacity. Crennel, who was Mangini's boss in New England, told The Plain Dealer he would stay only if the head coach really wanted him and acknowledged he's still close to Mangini.

Tucker has also received permission to talk to Seattle about their DC position.

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

Why am I not thrilled about a coach and staff that didn't make the playoffs in forever? Now if he's bringing along Faneca, Mangold, Thomas Jones, Jenkins and Revis.. now I'm happy

The Jets junkies out here insist I will like Mangini...

 

[BuckBackHome]

Mangini's the man!

 

[NFBuck]

It's official...Mangenius.

Browns, Mangini reach agreement

Zac Jackson, Staff Writer
01.07.2009

The Browns announced on Tuesday that an agreement has been reached with Eric Mangini to become Head Coach of the team.
Mangini spent the last three seasons (2006-08) as the head coach of the New York Jets. In his first season, he led the club to a 10-6 record and a postseason berth into the AFC Wild Card game. Last season, the Jets finished with a 9-7 record and narrowly missed the postseason.
He joined the Jets as head coach after having spent the previous six seasons with the New England Patriots (2000-05). In the first five seasons there, he served as the defensive backs coach (2000-04) before being promoted to defensive coordinator in 2005.
Mangini's first NFL coaching opportunity came in 1995 as an assistant on Bill Belichick's staff in Cleveland. When the team moved to Baltimore, he was retained on the staff and remained there until moving onto the Jets in 1997, where he served as a defensive assistant and quality control coach.
Stay tuned to ClevelandBrowns.com for more information.

Back to the Belichik well. Hope it works better this time. Personally, I think he's a good coach and got a raw deal. I'm just not crazy about hiring a coach prior to a personnel man, but whatever. Mangini is much more discipline oriented than the players best friend Romeo. Will be interesting to see how some of the roster reacts to that.

 

[ysubuck]

Like I said earler...

as long as any remnants of the previous regime are purged I don't mind.

Keeping anyone on who was a part of that last team gives the impression that something was RIGHT with this team.

 

[OHSportsFan]

I don't mind the hire at all. Time to clean up the roster now.

Also, should this discussion be re-started in a 2009 Browns thread?

 

[Buckrock]

Good hire. Mangini is a hard ass. Braylon and KW2 take note. Romeo was too nice and look what happened. Get rid of Chud next. Keep a couple of asssitants but i agree. Purge. Mangini got a raw deal in NY. Good to see him rebound quickly. At least Lerner is making the decisions this time. He will have no one to blame but himself. The Buck stops here!

 

[billmac91]

If Romeo stays on staff as a coach, that might be the worst idea I've ever heard of....

When Mangini wants these guys to put work in during mini-camp, when Romeo was a vacation for 3-4 years, they're going to look to Romeo to temper the new guy.

And the players are going to treat Romeo with more respect that the head coach....and there will resentment.

Just an awful idea.

 

[OCBucksFan]

Doesn't sound like a good hire to me, but we'll see.

 

[NFBuck]

If Romeo stays On staff as a coach, that might be the w0rst idea I've ever heard of....

When Mangini wants these guys to put work in during mini-camp, when Romeo was a vacation for 3-4 years, they're going to look to Romeo to temper the new guy.

And the players are going to treat Romeo with more respect that the head coach....and there will resentment.

Just an awful idea.

Precisely. If Romeo stays on as DC there will be a revolt in training camp. Mark my words. Romeo's by all accounts a helluva guy, but I don't know if I have the stomach to follow this team if he stays on in a coaching capacity. There have been rumors of bringing in Mike Nolan as DC. I hope they go that way...