Cincinnati Bearcats (Juggalos official thread of Faygo)

[ORD_Buckeye]

i don't get the vitriol in this thread. they're in freaking OHIO. i always root for Ohio teams.

Fuck Ohio teams. Along your lines of thinking, let's bring them into the Big Ten. After all, that would be fucking great for Ohio football. Let's then elevate a couple of Ohio MAC schools into the Big East, so that they can replicate what Cincy did. Hell, it's good for fucking Ohio football.

I care about what's good for Ohio State and Ohio State football. Having a serious in-state competitor for recruits and media attention is not good for Ohio State football.

I take solace in the fact that they're a 3 and done program. After Kelly leaves they go back to mediocrity. Hell, they've always had that surrounding talent base and were unable to do anything with it in the 119 years before Kelly showed up. What makes you think that they'll be able to do anything with it in the 9 years after he's gone?

 

[BB73]

Fuck Ohio teams. Along your lines of thinking, let's bring them into the Big Ten. After all, that would be fucking great for Ohio football. Let's then elevate a couple of Ohio MAC schools into the Big East, so that they can replicate what Cincy did. Hell, it's good for fucking Ohio football.

I care about what's good for Ohio State and Ohio State football. Having a serious in-state competitor for recruits and media attention is not good for Ohio State football.

I take solace in the fact that they're a 3 and done program. After Kelly leaves they go back to mediocrity. Hell, they've always had that surrounding talent base and were unable to do anything with it in the 119 years before Kelly showed up. What makes you think that they'll be able to do anything with it in the 9 years after he's gone?

To be fair, prior to his arrival, there was a single 10-win season under Sid Gillman in 1951. But I guess the 26-0 loss to Xavier that year prevented them from being ranked at season's end. :tongue2:

Their program caught a big break getting 'called up' to the Big East with the defection of BC, VT, and Miami to the ACC a few years ago. Being in a 'BCS Conference' has helped legitimize them, and separate themselves from the MAC and Conference USA teams.

I agree with your position in that I only care about what's good for tOSU, and I'll be happier when they return to being mediocre after Kelly leaves, because I think that will help tOSU recruit in the Cincinnati area. Although if Kelly goes to ND, I'm not sure that'll be a net gain overall for tOSU.

 

[bkochmc]

Their program caught a big break getting 'called up' to the Big East with the defection of BC, VT, and Miami to the ACC a few years ago. Being in a 'BCS Conference' has helped legitimize them, and separate themselves from the MAC and Conference USA teams.

The UC football team should be thanking the basketball program every single day for legitimizing them. Everyone knows once BC, VT and "The U" left the Big East for greener pastures they became first and foremost a basketball-heavy conference. If Cincinnati's basketball program didn't have the history they have I'm sure the Big East would have passed on them and they'd still be stuck in Conference USA.

 

[jazzman]

The only reason I would ever want Cincy or another team in the Big Ten would be to extend our season a little longer....the Big Ten regular season ends too darn early. With 12 teams in the Big Ten perhaps we could even have a Big Ten Championship game....as these championship games seem to legitimize teams in the SEC, Big 12 or ACC when it comes to the BCS and earns them extra votes in the polls.

 

[Woody1968]

The only reason I would ever want Cincy or another team in the Big Ten would be to extend our season a little longer....the Big Ten regular season ends too darn early. With 12 teams in the Big Ten perhaps we could even have a Big Ten Championship game....as these championship games seem to legitimize teams in the SEC, Big 12 or ACC when it comes to the BCS and earns them extra votes in the polls.

I don't want a championship game, far too often it allows an inferior team to win the conference.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

I actually wish the B10 would do what the Pac10 does - play EVERYONE in your conference every year.

 

[BB73]

I actually wish the B10 would do what the Pac10 does - play EVERYONE in your conference every year.

Thanks, Trev.


Where have you been hiding yourself the last few years?

 

[BuckNut65]

Thanks, Trev.

Where have you been hiding yourself the last few years?

I heard Trev was sighted when Mark May had his prostate checked out.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

Thanks, Trev.


Where have you been hiding yourself the last few years?

In a balloon. :p

Seriously though - I think running your conference schedule like a round-robin is a much better alternative to the concept of a B10 East and B10 West w/ a CCG. That is, if there's every to be a change in how things are run...

 

[cincibuck]

If by settle this, you mean make stuff up in contrast to the results, then I guess it's settled

Oregon has been the distant second behind USC. Ucla has not been nearly good enough to merit 2nd place for the decade.

What did I make up? The second best winning percentage among PAC 10 teams, for the last 50 years is UCLA. That's not something I pulled out of my ass. it means that for many of the last 50 years the USC - UCLA game determines which team goes to the Rose Bowl.

It means that Oregon, Washington, Stanford and Cal have been about as effective as Purdue, Wisconsin, Iowa and Illinois in pushing the big guys out of the conference championship picture.

So why 50 years? Because one decade does not make a program. When you go beyond the last decade Oregon sinks like a rock. Which is part of the reason why we're arguing about the PAC 10 to make a case about Cincinnati.

The Bearcats have the makings of a decent decade and many Buckeye fans are upset that some one-decade-wunderkind is going to steal OSU's rep.

The truth of the matter remains that the power in CFB comes down to the Top three teams in the Big 10, the top team in the Pac 10, two, possibly three, teams in the Big 12, the top five, possibly 6, teams in the SEC, Miami, FSU and Notre Dame. Implied is that they have had to fight their way through a tough conference schedule in which they met and defeated teams of comparable talent.

Baloney. The truth of those top teams is that they seldom play more than three tough, evenly matched games a year. Thus, when a UC or a Boise State threatens to go undefeated the fans of the top programs get rattled and angry.

Would Boise State or UC be undefeated if they had to play Illinois, Indiana, Kansas State, Mizzou, Vandy, Ky, Washington State, Stanford and Penn State? I contend that it's not as daunting a task as backers of the top teams like to think.

IMO UC and Boise State could go undefeated against such a schedule. Further they probably stand just as good a chance of completing such a feat as any of the not-quite-there teams of the B10, B12 or SEC.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

The Bearcats have the makings of a decent decade and many Buckeye fans are upset that some one-decade-wunderkind is going to steal OSU's rep.

Whoa big fellow. Let's not extrapolate three years into a decade so quickly, particularly when the coach responsible for those three years might not be around in three months.

 

[OH10]

Seriously? I've lived in those two places my entire, life, save the four years I spent in Columbus. I don't agree 100% with what you're saying about Cincinnati, but I understand where you're coming from. I have no idea where the Dayton part comes from. That sounds absurd.

I've lived in every part of this state for school, work, family, etc.. (even Toledo when I was a young child). Based on that experience, I can tell you that there is a dramatic difference between the mentality towards Ohio State in Central/NE Ohio than there is in SW Ohio.

For example, at a Browns game, if they play Hang on Sloopy, a strong majority of that crowd is into it, doing the O-H-I-O. When I went to a Reds' game this year, they played it and you could hear birds chirping. Just a different mentality.

 

[jlb1705]

I've lived in every part of this state for school, work, family, etc.. (even Toledo when I was a young child). Based on that experience, I can tell you that there is a dramatic difference between the mentality towards Ohio State in Central/NE Ohio than there is in SW Ohio.

For example, at a Browns game, if they play Hang on Sloopy, a strong majority of that crowd is into it, doing the O-H-I-O. When I went to a Reds' game this year, they played it and you could hear birds chirping. Just a different mentality.

That may have been the case for you, but how does that make anybody around here any less of an Ohioan?

FWIW that just hasn't been my experience. Maybe I just haven't been in the right parts of town. Even down here - just off the last exit before Kentucky, my OSU fan/alum neighbors outnumber UC & Xavier combined probably 4:1 on my block.

And Dayton... Dayton is Ohio State all the way. I won't even agree to disagree on that one.

 

[BuckNut65]

I live in the Buckeye State and it happens to be called Ohio. That mentality is based upon a camraderie of Ohio State brotherhood. When I'm up in Cleveland, Akron, Canton, I'm in the Buckeye State. When I go down to Dayton or Cincy, I feel like I'm in an entirely different state just based on a palpable lack of camraderie.

I have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Dayton. Dayton is very much an all Buckeye town. Cincinnati is and always will be a little different when it comes to college sports. There is as big a UK influence there as UC or OSU.

 

[buckeyesin07]

The Bearcats have the makings of a decent decade and many Buckeye fans are upset that some one-decade-wunderkind is going to steal OSU's rep.

OSU fans aren't upset that UC is going to steal OSU's rep. Once again, you give UC too much credit. OSU fans are upset that UC fans, players, and administration apparently feel the need to trash OSU in order to elevate themselves as a program in the eyes of the media, fans throughout the country, etc.

Would Boise State or UC be undefeated if they had to play Illinois, Indiana, Kansas State, Mizzou, Vandy, Ky, Washington State, Stanford and Penn State? I contend that it's not as daunting a task as backers of the top teams like to think.

I disagree. And judging from what you hear about the possibilities of Boise St. or UC playing in the NC game, the majority disagrees with you as well.