Charlie Weis (ex-Kansas HC, ex-Fla OC, Notre Dame legend, UnDecided Schematic Advantage)

[tibor75]

Who would Weis have picked up had Jones transferred this offseason? I'd imagine a walkon.

Either way, there was almost no chance of Weis replacing a player like Jones this offseason.
Funny, Clausen was a disaster too. Where's his bench? That's right, he was the favorite all along.

It wasn't a big secret that Clausen was coming to save ND. If you're Weis, why lie to Jones about your intentions to have Clausen start? Especially if you eventually hope to make Jones work directly with Clausen as one of his WR targets?

If Jones and Clausen are both going to be crap, I'd play Clausen, as would all of you.
I don't know why Jabba lied to (if he actually did lie - oh, college football players always tell the truth ) Jones. And it doesn't really matter why.

Given how immature this Jones kid is, I'd believe Jabba over him. Oh, but he's a disgruntled Notre Dame player, so of course OSU fans will believe him. Comical.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

What I read here is that all these players got better as they got older. Weis' contributions to that improvement is assumed by Domers. I'm not so sure you can make that assumption. Players tend to get better as they get older. That is a natural progression for most players. The only real measure of Weis' competence is this years results. NoD is not just the worst D1a team, but they are the worst by a lot. They can't even snap the ball correctly. There is "bad", and then there is "Notre Dame bad"...They are on a whole new level of bad. You can't explain all that away with "Ty's recruiting blah blah blah"...

Speaking of Ty's recruiting..... here's this guy.... not highly rated.... Only a 2 star..... and he seems to be doing OK even in spite of his horrible lack of talent.

 

[jwinslow]

For someone who loves calling people idiots, why did you duck my last point about team chemistry?

How stupid (or arrogant) did Weis have to be to believe he could con Jones into catching passes from Clausen?

If Jones and Clausen are both going to be crap, I'd play Clausen, as would all of you.

Then don't pretend like it's an open competition, with both the media and Jones.

I don't know why Jabba lied to (if he actually did lie - oh, college football players always tell the truth ) Jones. And it doesn't really matter why.

Given how immature this Jones kid is, I'd believe Jabba over him.

Yes, since Weis is brimming with maturity.

I'm not basing this on what Jones said after the fact, rather the numerous rumblings from this spring (and earlier) about Weis wanting Jones at WR & Jones contemplating a Tenn transfer until Weis reeled him back in with an open QB derby.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

The O-line was more solid when Ty took over and slowly degraded, Ty's recruiting hurt the O-line big time. If you look at the 2003 class, which would have been seniors this year, more than half the class has LEFT. Of the remaining players, only two start I think, one being Crum on defense. Thats one of the reasons theres so many freshmen and sophomores starting, which is accouting for a lack of experience on offense.

The 2003 recruits should be graduated or 5th year seniors at this point, so it would be surprising to me if there were a lot of them still around. Are you talking about the 2004 recruits?

In either case, look at the 2003 OSU recruiting class and was a nightmare that turned out to be. Despite that, the team continues to have success and when players don't pan out, there are always more to step up and fill in. Where is the production from the talented youngsters that Weis has been recruiting the last 2-3 years?

 

[methomps]

I'm not talking about scholarships for next year. I'm talking about for right now. There is nobody that can play right now that Weis can use the scholarship for. I guess WEis could free up the scholarship and then give it to a walk-on, but why should he? That scholarship is for Jones for this year.

This kid agreed (by staying on he agreed) to stay put for the year and he should honor that committment. He had his chance at QB and looked like complete crap. Too bad, that's how it works. Go to the bench, kid.

I'm sure a walk-on would appreciate the financial support.

 

[Thump]

I'm sure a walk-on would appreciate the financial support.

Give it to Rudy.

 

[jwinslow]

Speaking of Ty's recruiting..... here's this guy.... not highly rated.... Only a 2 star..... and he seems to be doing OK even in spite of his horrible lack of talent.

Heck, 4/5 of OSU's vaunted defensive backfield is comprised of 3 star "nobodies." Two arrived last year, the other three the year before.

Jenkins started as a frosh, and is a projected top-10 pick 2 years later. Washington, Russell & Chekwa were all steady in their RS frosh seasons (06, 06 & 07). Coleman is the lone highly rated DB of the bunch, and he didn't start until his second season.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Heck, 4/5 of OSU's vaunted defensive backfield is comprised of 3 star "nobodies." Jenkins started as a frosh, and is a projected top-10 pick 2 years later. Washington, Russell & Chekwa were all steady in their RS frosh seasons. Coleman is the lone highly rated DB of the bunch, and he didn't start until his second season.

I can't understand how Tressel has a job, considering this information.

 

[SparkyOSU]

I can't understand how Tressel has a job, considering this information.

Let's just trust the coaches.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

If Jones and Clausen are both going to be crap, I'd play Clausen, as would all of you.
I don't know why Jabba lied to (if he actually did lie - oh, college football players always tell the truth ) Jones. And it doesn't really matter why.

Given how immature this Jones kid is, I'd believe Jabba over him. Oh, but he's a disgruntled Notre Dame player, so of course OSU fans will believe him. Comical.

It's good that you believe fatty, because he's the one who is saying he lied to Jones.

 

[tibor75]

I'm not basing this on what Jones said after the fact, rather the numerous rumblings from this spring (and earlier) about Weis wanting Jones at WR & Jones contemplating a Tenn transfer until Weis reeled him back in with an open QB derby.

And given that Jones started the first game of the year, Weis kept his word. IT was open, and his putrid performance quickly shut it.

 

[methomps]

And given that Jones started the first game of the year, Weis kept his word. IT was open, and his putrid performance quickly shut it.

Weis said in his own press conference that he only started Jones because Clausen was injured and that he intended to start Clausen all along

 

[ulukinatme]

The 2003 recruits should be graduated or 5th year seniors at this point, so it would be surprising to me if there were a lot of them still around. Are you talking about the 2004 recruits?

Yup, sorry, 2004 was the year I was going for. 2003 wasn't a bad year recruiting really, that was Ty's first full class, everything kind of fell off recruiting wise after that.

As far as the production from Weis's Freshmen and Sophomores, some are doing better than others. Sam Young had a good year on the O-line last year, this year I've seen him give up a few sacks to UM and PSU's D-Line. Darrin Walls is starting at Soph CB and was fighting 5th year Senior Ambrose Woodwn for the position. Wooden is pretty horrible by all accounts, he consistantly will not turn his head around when a pass is coming his way. You may remember USC's long bomb on 4th down late in the 2005 game, Wooden was on coverage that play. Walls hasn't been too bad though, he was the one that had the pick 6 off Morelli for the only TD in the PSU game. We haven't been able to see what Tailbacks James Aldridge, Armando Allen, and Robert Hughes can really do since anytime they touch the ball the O-Line is a cluster-****. Frosh WR Kamara has dropped a couple passes, but hes playing in front of other Juniors and Sophomores at his position. Clausen looked good at PSU, UM was a different story, he didn't have protection either game. Robbie Parish and George West are both Sophomores that are getting playing time and have made some contributions, recruited as average talent. Theres a pair of Sophomore LBs that have gotten some tackles.
Not all those players have produced well, but there is an overwhelming number of them all playing at once, with little or no experience. Offense is the biggest problem right now, and thats where most of young starters are. The experience isn't there, and the O-line is holding back both the running game and protection for passing. I would love to see some USC sized holes open from them.

 

[jwinslow]

And given that Jones started the first game of the year, Weis kept his word. IT was open, and his putrid performance quickly shut it.

Weis said in his own press conference that he only started Jones because Clausen was injured and that he intended to start Clausen all along

Does it really count though, when 27 has beaten this point to death?

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Yep. And hopefully the next selfish idiot who decides to leave the team in the middle of the year learns it.

So, if you're lied to by your boss/superior and you decide that such behavior is not acceptable to you and you take action, you're a selfish idiot. Thanks for the life lesson...