Charlie Weis (ex-Kansas HC, ex-Fla OC, Notre Dame legend, UnDecided Schematic Advantage)

[ORD_Buckeye]

What I really enjoy is the latest paradox from the ND fans. They are saying we need to wait until he has his own players (even though he essentially does). So they are at the same time trying to give him credit for two 9-3 seasons with Ty's kids, while letting him off the hook for a team that is more CWs than any he has yet coached.

Hypocrisy and "creative reasoning" from domers? Are you insane?

 

[OSUsushichic]

Face it, they have a great team with a national powerhouse program and there isn't anything any of you say or wish that will change that.

Jelly donut? :p

 

[Best Buckeye]

Jelly donut? :p

only if it is strawberry flavored.

 

[Jaxbuck]

They're not in any long term trouble. Sheesh, we all love to hate ND, but it's entirely likely that they will eventually field a high quality team. Sure, we can name a Princeton example and feel good about it, but the actual percentage changes of ND become such an example are extremely low.

They have money. That's critical. All they need is a coach and recruiting staff of quality, and they can change their current pathetic ways quickly.

Let's all just enjoy their smug faltering for what it is rather than suggesting something highly unlikely such as a permanent fall from grace. Possible? Sure, Likely? Most assuredly not.

How's Nebraska or Alabama sound then? How easy has it been for them to just turn the spicket back on and start winning?

Sure any of them can win again but you start going 15-20 years without being relevant and your program is in danger, I don't care who you are.

We didn't have a seat at the table of CFB's elite there for about 12-15 years and I know there sure was a lot of talk about this topic in OSU circles.

With mass media the way it is today perception changes very quickly. If It's not "cool" to go to a certain school, they are in a lot of trouble. Right now its still somewhat cool to go to ND and play in Weis's "NFL system", a couple more years of sucking and they will lose that.

If that happens they will be at lets say an even 20 years of suckitude and still facing the task of finding the right coach and rebuilding. The next guy could still not be The Guy. Put yourself in that spot and think how rosey the prospects look. Not saying it will go down like that but I think the percentages are higher than you think. IMO, 1994-2007 is going to make 2008 so critical for ND its almost hard to comprehend.

 

[methomps]

Quinn was a Ty recruit <clap> <clap>

 

[Bucklion]

Count me as one who is not at all afraid of Charlie and the Field Goal Factory. Have they written this year off as developmental? Yes. Will they be better next year? Yes. Will they make an occasional run at a great season with enough middling games on their schedule? Yes. Are they an elite program anymore? Not even close if you look at the product on the field. An elite program doesn't have...what is it...around 90? teams win bowl games since they did. An elite program doesn't win exactly one game over a team with at least 8 wins in 2 or 3 years, whatever it's been. An elite program doesn't point at almost beating anyone, ever, especially in a rivalry game. An elite program doesn't get beat at home 2 or 3 times a year, especially get blown out by teams like Georgia Tech. Now, I know what some of you are thinking, and yes we've had a year here and there where a few of the above things have happened...but they are interspersed with several years, particularly in the Tressel era, of high levels of success. Notre Dame doesn't matter because they don't beat anyone that matters anymore. Not in the regular season, not in bowls, not anywhere. Maybe Weis can turn that around by 2010, but I just don't see it happening.

 

[tibor75]

South Bend Tribune: Irish seek to find the road to recovery

Is the honeymoon over?

Even in the real world, no honeymoon lasts three years. Heck, even some marriages don't. In sports, love is even more fickle.

But the underlying question really is what differentiates Weis from Tyrone Willingham in year three? Right?

It starts with recruiting. Weis' classes have gotten better each year. The 19 players committed so far in this cycle constitute the consensus No. 1 class in the nation this point, and it's loaded with players that address the holes in the current team. Willingham's third and final class was a disaster, and Weis is paying for it.

Another difference is Willingham tried to force-feed a system to his talent rather than designing a system that fit the existing players. Weis adjusts, tinkers and constantly looks for answers. If it ain't broke, he breaks it and builds it stronger. (uh, where is your "evidence" for this banal statement?)

Which is why Saturday was so perplexing. The momentum for 2008 and beyond still lives. But 2007 can't be a complete Mulligan. With his most imperfect team, Weis has the opportunity to end the debate and establish himself as one of the elite college coaches, not just the one with the most blustery rhetoric.

Quite simply everything you see in Weis, from the way he plots out pep rallies to the precision he demands in a quarterback's footwork, suggests he is better than this. If Appalachian State can rise to the occasion, why can't Weis?

 

[Buckin' A]

Weis adjusts, tinkers and constantly looks for answers. If it ain't broke, he breaks it and builds it stronger.

Wow...I'm very impressed that Chet was able to "adjust and tinker" to gain an impressive 3 points.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

South Bend Tribune: Irish seek to find the road to recovery

Is the honeymoon over?

Even in the real world, no honeymoon lasts three years. Heck, even some marriages don't. In sports, love is even more fickle.

But the underlying question really is what differentiates Weis from Tyrone Willingham in year three? Right?

It starts with recruiting. Weis' classes have gotten better each year. The 19 players committed so far in this cycle constitute the consensus No. 1 class in the nation this point, and it's loaded with players that address the holes in the current team. Willingham's third and final class was a disaster, and Weis is paying for it.

Another difference is Willingham tried to force-feed a system to his talent rather than designing a system that fit the existing players. Weis adjusts, tinkers and constantly looks for answers. If it ain't broke, he breaks it and builds it stronger. (uh, where is your "evidence" for this banal statement?)

Which is why Saturday was so perplexing. The momentum for 2008 and beyond still lives. But 2007 can't be a complete Mulligan. With his most imperfect team, Weis has the opportunity to end the debate and establish himself as one of the elite college coaches, not just the one with the most blustery rhetoric.

Quite simply everything you see in Weis, from the way he plots out pep rallies to the precision he demands in a quarterback's footwork, suggests he is better than this. If Appalachian State can rise to the occasion, why can't Weis?

Wow, I'm speechless. I wonder if Charlie has the common decency to give that guy a reach around?

 

[Oh8ch]

Weis adjusts, tinkers and constantly looks for answers. If it ain't broke, he breaks it and builds it stronger.

I heard Weis make that statement in his PC - that whether they got better or worse next week they would not stay the same. Changes would be made.

Contrast this to JT, even in 2004 after the three game losing streak. They went back to work on fundamentals. They kept doing what they had been doing and doing it better. Same starting lineups. Same basic approach to the game. That is because JT knows what he is doing. He knows what works.

You don't take college football players and throw major changes at them week after week and expect them to somehow become stronger. The man had 8 months to prepare for this season for crying out loud. What does he think he is going to do by next Saturday that he couldn't do in 8 months?

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

You don't take college football players and throw major changes at them week after week and expect them to somehow become stronger. The man had 8 months to prepare for this season for crying out loud. What does he think he is going to do by next Saturday that he couldn't do in 8 months?

Precisely! Weis, however, has made it clear over and over that it's all about him and his [alleged] genius which is why I truly believe that--at least subconsciously--he doesn't want to have a good defense. He'll show everyone that it's not defense that wins championships, it's Charlie's offensive genius.

Charlie and the Field Goal Factory!

 

[matcar]

How's Nebraska or Alabama sound then? How easy has it been for them to just turn the spicket back on and start winning?

Sure any of them can win again but you start going 15-20 years without being relevant and your program is in danger, I don't care who you are.

We didn't have a seat at the table of CFB's elite there for about 12-15 years and I know there sure was a lot of talk about this topic in OSU circles.

With mass media the way it is today perception changes very quickly. If It's not "cool" to go to a certain school, they are in a lot of trouble. Right now its still somewhat cool to go to ND and play in Weis's "NFL system", a couple more years of sucking and they will lose that.

If that happens they will be at lets say an even 20 years of suckitude and still facing the task of finding the right coach and rebuilding. The next guy could still not be The Guy. Put yourself in that spot and think how rosey the prospects look. Not saying it will go down like that but I think the percentages are higher than you think. IMO, 1994-2007 is going to make 2008 so critical for ND its almost hard to comprehend.

Whatever. 2008 is not so critical. It might even be in their best interest to lose more and go in search of a real coach instead of a real whale. If ND ever gets a decent coach, they'll field a quality team.

 

[matcar]

Precisely! Weis, however, has made it clear over and over that it's all about him and his [alleged] genius which is why I truly believe that--at least subconsciously--he doesn't want to have a good defense. He'll show everyone that it's not defense that wins championships, it's Charlie's offensive genius.

Charlie and the Field Goal Factory!

Yup. The real problem at that place is that they do not have a college coach there. One wonders how long it will take for them to accept that the only place he's a legend is in his own fat head.

FWIW, I predict an ND buyout after the '09 season after he loses twice to Navy on his own turf.

 

[Oh8ch]

The more I think about ole' Charlie the more I wonder how he will make it through this season.

Listening to some of his comments I honestly don't think he expected anything like what happened against GaTech. With his ego he may very well have believed this was in fact going to be a strong season for ND. Despite what the media predicted and the fans were preparing themselves for CW may not be ready to take his lumps. His stated reaction of wanting to change things around is only going to make things worse.

So what happens when an egomaniac who really doesn't understand CFB continues to fail while in the public spotlight? This could be fun.

 

[Mike80]

The more I think about ole' Charlie the more I wonder how he will make it through this season.

Listening to some of his comments I honestly don't think he expected anything like what happened against GaTech. With his ego he may very well have believed this was in fact going to be a strong season for ND. Despite what the media predicted and the fans were preparing themselves for CW may not be ready to take his lumps. His stated reaction of wanting to change things around is only going to make things worse.

So what happens when an egomaniac who really doesn't understand CFB continues to fail while in the public spotlight? This could be fun.

We won't know for sure until fat boy starts to lose weight from missing meals due to stress and anxiety.

Or better yet, after Clausen's 5 INT against USC, Fat Boy starts to blame everything on the kid.