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Charlie Strong (former coach)

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NFBuck said:
Watching multiple clown-show coaching searches over the last 4-5 years has left me awe-struck with how silently and efficiently tOSU locked down the premier available coach when they had to. Any firm hired by any school should be on the horn trying to find out how they got it done.
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Maybe there was more that went into than I realize, but my impression is that OSU mostly just got lucky.
 
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zincfinger said:
Maybe there was more that went into than I realize, but my impression is that OSU mostly just got lucky.
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By the timing? Certainly. But there was very little mainstream indication that it was going down until a few days before it was official. And the word that has come out since is that the back-channel overtures and negotiating went on for months. In today's social media world, given the magnitude of the parties involved, that is absolutely remarkable.
 
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NFBuck said:
By the timing? Certainly. But there was very little mainstream indication that it was going down until a few days before it was official. And the word that has come out since is that the back-channel overtures and negotiating went on for months. In today's social media world, given the magnitude of the parties involved, that is absolutely remarkable.
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Gene Smith.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
I'd say it was more of a six year (04-09) run, but those six years were UT's only stretch of consistent national relevance since the mid-70s. Place has been a coacjing graveyard since Royall. If Strong gets run halfway through year 3, I'd think long and hard about why so many have failed there.




Paul Brown. However, Ohio State has had only five coaches since 1951. Woody and Tressel were fired for slugging an opposing player and cheating respectively while Earl and Cooper were given 9 and 13 years before finally being let go. Not a comparable situation to Texas.
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Actually ORD, UT is comparable. They've had 5 coaches since the time of Earle Bruce. We've had 4...well technically 5 if you count Fick. So they are in the same ballpark in terms of stability and duration at the moment.
 
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Nigel Tufnel said:
Actually ORD, UT is comparable. They've had 5 coaches since the time of Earle Bruce. We've had 4...well technically 5 if you count Fick. So they are in the same ballpark in terms of stability and duration at the moment.
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Kind of, UT hasn't been the best example of stability. Just looking at records since 1980, UT has 18 seasons with 8 or less wins while tOSU has 11(one year being the tatgate year and 7 of these years are coached by Cooper). And also take into account that tOSU has played in much more bigger bowls. Every UT coach has multiple 7 or less win seasons as well, except for Mack, who inherited the program on the uptick when the other Texas colleges weren't offering much, and their major competition was OU. If not for Cooper, there hasn't been an OSU coach to have multiple 7 or less win seasons since Woody, and he coached tOSU for 27yrs! The stability and ability to stay prominent for decades is almost unprecedented in CFB, even Alabama is on their 8th HC since 1980 with a few average to bad coaches(cough cough Mike Shula). And even including Fickell in tOSU coaching tree, if you think about it, that 2011 year couldve been FAR worse. UT if anything, has wallowed in mediocrity for decades, they were highlighted by the 2005 NC, and getting to the NC in 2009, Mack then mailed it in, and then TCU, Baylor, aTm rose up to compete for HS talent with OU. And then every coach in the country started poaching players. And then a coach in Houston is now rising up and starting to take over
 
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On another note, I wonder if Strong is canned this year, if he gives tOSU a look as an analyst... Maybe it's just wishful thinking and he gets the Louisville job when Petrino leaves(or Oregon, etc)
 
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pnuts34 said:
Kind of, UT hasn't been the best example of stability. Just looking at records since 1980, UT has 18 seasons with 8 or less wins while tOSU has 11(one year being the tatgate year and 7 of these years are coached by Cooper). And also take into account that tOSU has played in much more bigger bowls. Every UT coach has multiple 7 or less win seasons as well, except for Mack, who inherited the program on the uptick when the other Texas colleges weren't offering much, and their major competition was OU. If not for Cooper, there hasn't been an OSU coach to have multiple 7 or less win seasons since Woody, and he coached tOSU for 27yrs! The stability and ability to stay prominent for decades is almost unprecedented in CFB, even Alabama is on their 8th HC since 1980 with a few average to bad coaches(cough cough Mike Shula). And even including Fickell in tOSU coaching tree, if you think about it, that 2011 year couldve been FAR worse. UT if anything, has wallowed in mediocrity for decades, they were highlighted by the 2005 NC, and getting to the NC in 2009, Mack then mailed it in, and then TCU, Baylor, aTm rose up to compete for HS talent with OU. And then every coach in the country started poaching players. And then a coach in Houston is now rising up and starting to take over
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Oh agreed that they haven't won a bunch of games but that kinda shows that they have been somewhat patient with coaches considering the mediocrity. And if they get the right guy, they obviously can win some games.
 
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TV has changed the landscape too... in the 80's only one Texas college was able to get on TV on saturdays, so they had a huge advantage in recruiting.... Ohio State had the same advantage but they moved forward with the times... and are still relevant, Texas not so much.... thinking there personal network and using strong arm ways with the rest of the league has made yesterdays news. Can they become the top dog in Texas again, sure... but they will have to rethink there whole mindset and the donors don't see that, and they run Texas football.... another big difference from Ohio State.
 
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Nigel Tufnel said:
Oh agreed that they haven't won a bunch of games but that kinda shows that they have been somewhat patient with coaches considering the mediocrity. And if they get the right guy, they obviously can win some games.
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What @Roundabout said.
One of the biggest issues with UT is that idiotic/pompous Longhorn network. A chunk of time has to be filled doing shows, interviews, etc to fill time since they're the only team on it, taking away from a coach's game prep. UT is also still stuck in the past of thinking that they're still the state(and conference) power school, and that hasn't been true in a while. UT fans are not a patient bunch, especially since they saw Meyer and Saban turn 2 blueblood programs around in short order, and wonder why they can't get a coach that can do the same in the same amount of time. UT is like ND, in the aspect of the team's best days were in the past, they're no longer seen as a perennial power, but yet they think they are. Both Brian Kelly and Charlie Strong could be canned soon, Strong may get curb stomped at the RRR today, and still have a 8win season, and have something to build on for next year, but the fans will always want more. ND and UT are nice name schools now, but they need a lot of patience(which will never happen in this CFB landscape) with their coaches to get to an NC level, but they're both capable of getting to an NC in due time. But coaching changes will derail those efforts everytime
 
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Nigel Tufnel said:
Oh agreed that they haven't won a bunch of games but that kinda shows that they have been somewhat patient with coaches considering the mediocrity. And if they get the right guy, they obviously can win some games.
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Disagree. If you break down the tenure of those coaches, you see that Mack's 14 years sucks up a big chunk of the time. Other than that, they ran Akers got ten years, but he played for a NC his first year, similar to Earl. Then they ran McWilliams and Mackovic in 5 and 6 respectively. Mack came in, but now they're ready to run Strong after 3.

At Ohio State, you're looking at.....
Earl 9 years and ran after multiple 3 loss seasons and a clear downward trajectory
Cooper got 13 years and was only fired when the combination of annual end of season chokes combined with losing control of the program off the field
Tressel got 10 years and was only fired because of NCAA violations
Urban, barring NCAA violations, can pretty much leave when he wants.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Urban, barring NCAA violations, can pretty much leave when he wants.
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Lalalalalalalalalalala...can't hear you.

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Unjinxing the living hell out of that.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Disagree. If you break down the tenure of those coaches, you see that Mack's 14 years sucks up a big chunk of the time. Other than that, they ran Akers got ten years, but he played for a NC his first year, similar to Earl. Then they ran McWilliams and Mackovic in 5 and 6 respectively. Mack came in, but now they're ready to run Strong after 3.

At Ohio State, you're looking at.....
Earl 9 years and ran after multiple 3 loss seasons and a clear downward trajectory
Cooper got 13 years and was only fired when the combination of annual end of season chokes combined with losing control of the program off the field
Tressel got 10 years and was only fired because of NCAA violations
Urban, barring NCAA violations, can pretty much leave when he wants.
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Well we will just have to disagree. UT has had coaches last a long time and again have one more coach than we do in the time period since 80s. Obviously had long tenure with Royal as well. And considering how mediocre they have been, that clearly indicates that they have exercised patients in the past. That does not mean they will in this case though.

I get that you love to hate them...
 
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