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y0yoyoin
That is a serious injury for Willis McGahee
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiRYZCvwAX3CHqZ34iv8HoW8vLYF?slug=aw-wallacebobcats011411
i dont understand this at all unless we are planning on flipping wallace for players or draft picks later on...and i wouldnt do this deal unless we get the protected first round draft pick also...wallace is 29 years old, super injury prone and someone who we should of been targeting 3 years ago when we still had lebron...it hasnt been a secret that charlotte would of unloaded wallace for the right price...getting wallace might win us a few more games but that also decreases our chances of losing the #1 overall pick in the draft...i hope this deal doesnt go thru...theres not one player on the cavs right now playing with any heart, so why does chris grant believe wallace will? so far chris grant hasnt made any huge mistakes but he also hasnt made any good moves either
i dont understand this at all unless we are planning on flipping wallace for players or draft picks later on...and i wouldnt do this deal unless we get the protected first round draft pick also...wallace is 29 years old, super injury prone and someone who we should of been targeting 3 years ago when we still had lebron...it hasnt been a secret that charlotte would of unloaded wallace for the right price...getting wallace might win us a few more games but that also decreases our chances of losing the #1 overall pick in the draft...i hope this deal doesnt go thru...theres not one player on the cavs right now playing with any heart, so why does chris grant believe wallace will? so far chris grant hasnt made any huge mistakes but he also hasnt made any good moves either
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tsteele316
Mr. Such and Such
y0yoyoin;1857062; said:
they are using the TPE to get a 1st round pick and flip wallace later. it's about as good of a move as they can make. there are several teams with a TPE right now, and being the facilitator in the carmello deal seems dead since melo won't agree to sign an extension with NJ.
The real question is that if the Bobcats' pick is lottery protected, and the Bobcats currently stand at #15 right now, if they miss the 8th seed by a few games and end up with pick #14, if they can waive the protection.
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y0yoyoin
That is a serious injury for Willis McGahee
tsteele316;1857069; said:
not sure on the rules of the draft pick and its about impossible to find anything that would tell otherwise...thats why i wish the plain dealer still had windhorst on their staff...mary shmitt boyer sucks with her coverage...and as long as we are just using our TPE to get wallace and hopefully a draft pick in the 1st round with the mindset of trading him later then i like the deal...otherwise i dont
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tsteele316
Mr. Such and Such
y0yoyoin;1857073; said:
it's actually a perfect situation for wallace to put up some pretty big hollow stats and improve his stock to the point that cleveland can dump him to a contender for young talent and more picks.
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tsteele316;1857091; said:
Hell it seems Jamison has been putting up 30 points most nights. I'm cool as long as they still get the most ping pong balls in June.
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y0yoyoin
That is a serious injury for Willis McGahee
tsteele316;1857091; said:
ya i agree with this...my only concern is how injury prone he is which could hurt his stock...like with verajo, a team isnt going to call you if your out for the year so it is a semi-gamble...but one i would deffinitly be willing to take as long as its just our TPE we are using to get him and a draft pick...then if we can get rid of jamison and mo or parker or anyone but gibson and maybe hickson, then that is a good first year for us in rebuilding mode
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billmac91
Head Coach
the deal for Wallace hinges on the draft pick...living in Charlotte, they think this deal would be awful b/c they get no talent in return and lose a first round pick. But MJ is all about cost savings (letting Tyson Chandler walk for nothing was ridiculous).
And as bad as the draft is being reported to be...an additional pick in the #15-18 range could net you a very good player.
Just imagine a top 3 pick of Irving/Sullinger/Perry Jones....and then getting a guy like Chris Singleton at #16. You'd have 2 instant starters for the next decade assuming the scouting department gets it right.
Next year is slightly better but still enough to land us in the lottery, and all of a sudden we're a very young but ultra-talented team with cap flexibility.
If all goes well the Cavs are competing in 3 years or so...
One last point..keep in mind if they don't use the TPE on anything this year, there is a possibility it expires with the lockout looming. You almost have to hedge your bets and get something for it now or risk losing it all together. If Gerald Wallace and a 1st round pick is what we get for it, I'd be thrilled.
And as bad as the draft is being reported to be...an additional pick in the #15-18 range could net you a very good player.
Just imagine a top 3 pick of Irving/Sullinger/Perry Jones....and then getting a guy like Chris Singleton at #16. You'd have 2 instant starters for the next decade assuming the scouting department gets it right.
Next year is slightly better but still enough to land us in the lottery, and all of a sudden we're a very young but ultra-talented team with cap flexibility.
If all goes well the Cavs are competing in 3 years or so...
One last point..keep in mind if they don't use the TPE on anything this year, there is a possibility it expires with the lockout looming. You almost have to hedge your bets and get something for it now or risk losing it all together. If Gerald Wallace and a 1st round pick is what we get for it, I'd be thrilled.
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anyone know or can provide a link to show what draft picks the Cavs have for the next three years?
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y0yoyoin
That is a serious injury for Willis McGahee
billmac91;1857106; said:
when i first saw this rumor come up, my initial reaction was this is Dan Gilbert going after a star player to put fans in the seats...and i guess you could kill 2 birds with one stone if this trade would go down (i have doubts)...put some more fans in the seats, still not be competitive enough to make the playoffs guaranteeing a lottery pick, and have wallace's expiring contract to trade next year...if i were grant i would not do this trade without that draft pick as well...currently this year we have 3 draft picks, 1 first and 2 2nd round picks...have 4 total with 2 in each round would be awesome...and we still have the other players on the roster to trade as well....but yes i think we have to use this TPE on anything this year also...just get rid of it whenever possible as long as the return is good...windhorst had a good article on the various teams with TPE and he said it is the new "expiring contract" that will come into play with trades this year
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y0yoyoin
That is a serious injury for Willis McGahee
NJ-Buckeye;1857115; said:
these are the extra picks we have along with the obvious first and 2nd rounders...these are all incoming picks and we have no outgoing picks that we owe other teams
http://www.realgm.com/src_future_draftpicks.php
2011 second round draft pick from Oklahoma City
Oklahoma City's own 2011 2nd round pick to Cleveland via Miami (top 40 protected in the 2011 Draft, top 40 protected in the 2012 draft and unprotected in the 2013 draft). [Miami ? Oklahoma City, 6/24/2010 and then Cleveland - Miami, 7/9/2010]
2012 first round draft pick from Miami
Cleveland has the right to swap their own 2012 1st round pick with Miami's own 1st round pick. [Cleveland - Miami, 7/9/2010]
2012 second round draft pick from New Orleans
New Orleans' own 2012 2nd round pick to Cleveland via Miami. [Miami - New Orleans, 6/25/2009 and then Cleveland - Miami, 7/9/2010]
2013 first round draft pick from Miami
Miami's own 2013 1st round draft pick to Cleveland (top-10 protected in the 2013 Draft, top-10 protected in 2014, and unprotected in the 2015 Draft.) [Cleveland - Miami, 7/9/2010]
2013 second round draft pick from Minnesota
Minnesota's own 2013 2nd round pick to Cleveland. [Cleveland - Minnesota, 7/26/2010]
2015 first round draft pick from Miami
Miami's own 1st round draft pick to Cleveland in the ?First Allowable Draft? (top 10 protected until the 2017 draft at which it will be unprotected in the 2017 draft). The First Allowable draft shall be the draft that occurs two years following the year in which Miami satisfies its first obligation to convey a future first round draft pick to the Cleveland Cavaliers. [Cleveland - Miami, 7/9/2010]
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