Buckeye Receivers - 2005

[strohs]

since this is now becoming a WR question more tahn about hall...

what do people think about the chances of Jamario at WR? He seems fairly ready to play corner if we need him to, and I'll have to see it to believe that JO can match Ginn's athleticism (no doubt he's great but I'm withholding judgment).

I say, for at least the time being, we have so much depth at WR that a move like that just would not be worthwhile.

 

[OSU5NC]

What about any of the freshman WRs we have coming in? Think any will get significant PT or are they all looking at a redshirt? By my count we have 4, unless Amos decides to focus on defense.

 

[jwinslow]

Fair enough. I was just wondering what some people thought as he seems to be pretty dangerous as an all around athlete. But what a blessing to have a guy who might be pretty close to Ginn's level at CB, and we can leave Ginn at WR.

I'm excited about lyons at WR. What was the story for why he moved from safety to WR? Did he outgrow S?

 

[wdg01]

Fair enough. I was just wondering what some people thought as he seems to be pretty dangerous as an all around athlete. But what a blessing to have a guy who might be pretty close to Ginn's level at CB, and we can leave Ginn at WR.

I'm excited about lyons at WR. What was the story for why he moved from safety to WR? Did he outgrow S?

I think he prefered playing WR, so thats where we recruited him at. Didnt he get reps at S before the Purdue game because of all the injuries? Either way, i doubt he outgrew the position.

 

[bucknut11]

what do people think about the chances of Jamario at WR? He seems fairly ready to play corner if we need him to, and I'll have to see it to believe that JO can match Ginn's athleticism (no doubt he's great but I'm withholding judgment).

I just don't see it happening. He didn't even play on offense at Glenville, so I doubt he'd start doing so in Columbus, especially with the depth at WR and lack thereof at CB.

And as for the athleticism, I don't think that Jamario's at that level. He's close in regards to speed, but Ginn has that elusiveness that precious few athletes have (Dante Hall, Barry Sanders). I've seen them both play at Glenville and Teddy's definitely got a big edge in that category. Where Jamario makes up for it, however, is that he's packing an extra 30 pounds on his frame while sacrificing hardly any speed.

 

[OilerBuck]

I think he prefered playing WR, so thats where we recruited him at. Didnt he get reps at S before the Purdue game because of all the injuries? Either way, i doubt he outgrew the position.

Also, we are stacked at safety. Sometimes you have to switch just to get the most talent that you can out on the field. You are right that I think he preferred WR and that played a large role in his recruitment to tOSU.

 

[brutus2002]

Gonzo is the player that is gonna give coaches nightmares. Yes Ginn and Holms are great but Gonzo is the third player noone will have an answer for. Gonzo is gonna be a big play WR for us and IMO he is gonna lead the team in receiving TD's. HE WILL BURN TEAMS AT LEAST ONCE A GAME FOR A BIG GAINER.

Double Ginn or Holms...fine we will burn you with the other two. Coaches are gonna have to pick their poison. If Devon Lyons emerges we will have the best WR corps in OSU history IMO. I would like to see 6 WR's get PT.

I would like to see Jordan get a shot. Nobody ever talks about him but I think he can get some PT.

 

[scarletngray]

Devin Jordan is also a guy who has loads of potential. Good size, good speed. If Hall goes to TE, expect Jordan to compete for some playing time.
Dukes is a big question mark at this point, but he also has tons of talent, and if allowed back on the team and out the dog house, could also compete for playing time.

We have great depth and talent at WR, IMO. I also think with Pittman, Haw and Wells speed coming out of the backfield, we will have three guys who can do damage catching the ball in the flat or on screens. I think all three of these guys are pretty leathel in open space.

Our passing game should be pretty potent this year.

 

[bucksn'boobs]

Personally, I think Ginn stays at WR unless their is a glaring weakness at the other corner spot that becomes apparent in game situations. It's obvious that Ginn/Holmes will not change barring injury, with Gonzo as the third WR. Gonzo is a gamer that has the swagger of an older player. The other young recievers in the mix have to prove that they can produce (clean routes,blocks,no drops,consistency) if they are to play ahead of Gonzo. The competition between Gonzo and some of these other guys that are more physically impressive, should produce a great "possession" reciever to compliment Ginn and Holmes. Gonzo has gotten open, and caught the ball when it has been thrown his way, and these two simple things have set him apart from the other young dudes (and Hall) jockeying for that third spot.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Anyone can play...they wouldn't be at this level if they could not. However, a playmaker must have confidence. Gonzo exudes confidence right now and Hall is still seeking where he fits in on this team.

Holmes
Ginn
Gonzo
Lyons/Hall--Lyons ends up as the #4 by midseason...possibly 3 by scUM

I agree with you (as usual) with everything except for Lyons possibly replacing Gonzo as #3 by The Game. Gonzo has great hands, superb speed, runs good routes, and is fearless. We'd all be talking about the emergence of Gonzo if it weren't for some skinny fast kid who wears #7.

1. Holmes (his leadership, drive, and experience place him well ahead of others, even Ginn)
2. Ginn
3. Gonzo
4. Most likely Lyons, but who knows

I'm starting to lean more towards the camp of Hall being moved to TE.

 

[RugbyBuck]

I agree with everyone about Gonzalez. What an enormous luxury to have a third receiver that dangerous. I hope he continues what he started in the second half of last season.

 

[bukIpower]

yeah I agree guys, The reason Gonzo is going to be so dangerous and crucial in our offense is because Ginn/Holmes will demand a true corner and also a safties help from time to time. With that being said we can line up gonzo with a linebacker (in non-nickle/dime sets) and when the defense is defending him with a corner its going to be just them two. So with Gonzo one-on-one it makes it very tough for a defensman to gaurd someone with his speed and size. Remember Gonzo is actually one of our bigger Recievers. He's probably 3rd on the list behind Hall, and Lyons in size. Hopefully Hall will go to Tight End because that will be huge in our vertical game. Over all theres just a ton to get excited about! GO BUCKS!

 

[OilerBuck]

For reference sake during this thread...

Returning Receivers
Pete Foltz, 6-0 180 Fr.
Ted Ginn Jr., 6-0 170 So.
Anthony Gonzalez, 6-0 200 So.
Roy Hall, 6-3 228 Jr.
Derek Harden, 6-1 215 So.
Santonio Holmes, 5-11 185 Jr.
Devin Jordan, 6-2 205 So.
David Lisko, 6-1 220 Fr.
Devon Lyons, 6-4 214 So.
Kyle Ruhl, 6-1 154 Fr.
Brent Ullery, 6-0 203 So.

Potential Receiving Corp Recruits
Andre Amos, 6-1 180
Brian Hartline, 6-3 175
Malcom Jenkins, 6-0 180
Brian Robiskie, 6-3 190
Donald Washington III, 6-2 185

 

[osugrad21]

I agree with you (as usual) with everything except for Lyons possibly replacing Gonzo as #3 by The Game.

True in every way, but Lyons is that big target we are lacking right now. Regardless of the depth chart, they will each open opportunities for each other.

 

[OilerBuck]

I agree with you (as usual) with everything except for Lyons possibly replacing Gonzo as #3 by The Game. Gonzo has great hands, superb speed, runs good routes, and is fearless. We'd all be talking about the emergence of Gonzo if it weren't for some skinny fast kid who wears #7.

1. Holmes (his leadership, drive, and experience place him well ahead of others, even Ginn)
2. Ginn
3. Gonzo
4. Most likely Lyons, but who knows

I'm starting to lean more towards the camp of Hall being moved to TE.

I think that Lyons will be a better overall receiver than Gonzo in the long run but I agree that Tony will remain the usual #3 throughout the season. Keep in mind that I don't have the football knowledge of Grad21...

1. As has been discussed earlier in this thread, Gonzo in the slot is a huge weapon because he has a nice speed advantage over any linebacker and because putting a safety on him could lead to single coverage on Ginn or Holmes. A linebacker would have a slightly easier time covering Lyons. As long as the other team is in base defense, this is a GIANT advantage.

2. I believe that Gonzo will also be in the #3 spot next year when Holmes (most likely) leaves. Keep in mind that Tressel would prefer to run a system with a taller split end and a fast (usually smaller) flanker. For this reason was Roy Hall placed in front of Ginn for so long this season, even when the writing was on the wall. Many of Ginn's receptions were in traffic and were possession type catches. Most of the big plays off receptions he made (Ala MSU, Indiana) were a testament to his athleticism and were not representational of the opportunity he was given through his route. In this offense, watching the tape I've noticed a lot more big-play opportunities on the other side of the field (flanker) and more possession type plays with the split end. I think Lyons (with a little added weight) will step into the Michael Jenkins role (Big, jump balls) but will need to sure up his hands...I'm convinced that will happen. We will still have Gonzo as a devestating #3.

Again...I'm just stating some general observations I've seen. I realize a lot of you have a better understanding of the game than I do, so feel free to correct me on any misconceptions I have.