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Bruce Pearl (Auburn Head Coach, Ongoing Asshat)

Gatorubet;1766308; said:
I see. I ignorantly relied on language from the actual court decision finding of a "lack of good faith" in the firing. I'm sure it's just my unfathomable lack of appreciation of integrity, coupled with my inherent ignorance of Ohio legal terminology. My bad man.

Edit: I am not defending the scum bag, but your touting a method of handling the firing got a cheater over 2 million in damages he did not deserve, not should you have paid had they been a little less trigger happy. My only point Ord. Lawyer thing, if you will. Carry on being [censored]y.

"Bad faith" in that we deliberately and willfully violated the terms of his--poorly written--contract and put principle before expediency, firing the coach who took us to our first final four in 30 years at the drop of the hat. I don't dispute that in the least. We did the crime, and we paid the dime.

We were faced with two choices.

A) Honor said contract, which would have forced us to keep him gainfully employed throughout an NCAA investigation despite the mountain of evidence that we (remember, we discovered and reported these violations to the NCAA) had discovered and his own admission that he had done it.

OR

B) Bite the bullet and do what was RIGHT over what could best be described as the legalistic, cautious and penny pinching option.

Best $2MM Ohio State ever spent, and a decision that makes me proud of my alma mater to this very day.:osu:
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1766394; said:
"Bad faith" in that we deliberately and willfully violated the terms of his--poorly written--contract and put principle before expediency, firing the coach who took us to our first final four in 30 years at the drop of the hat. I don't dispute that in the least. We did the crime, and we paid the dime.

We were faced with two choices.

A) Honor said contract, which would have forced us to keep him gainfully employed throughout an NCAA investigation despite the mountain of evidence that we (remember, we discovered and reported these violations to the NCAA) had discovered and his own admission that he had done it.

OR

B) Bite the bullet and do what was RIGHT over what could best be described as the legalistic, cautious and penny pinching option.

Best $2MM Ohio State ever spent, and a decision that makes me proud of my alma mater to this very day.:osu:

There might have been a middle path...but the intentions of the University to err on the side it took was laudable. Still, it annoys me to see anyone pay that much coin to a bad guy if a little dog and pony investigation could have rather satisfied whatever due process element was missing.

It was like you acted so quickly you never gave him the opportunity to hang himself. :lol: But I have no problem with the result (his being fired), and never meant to suggest otherwise. I was simply saying that a slight change in procedure might have denied him the coin. Which would have been a more just result.
 
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I think Pearl is still in a lot of trouble. The university might just be waiting on the NCAA to find fault before they fire him so as to avoid an OSU/O'Brien scenario. If you can't trust your coach, you shouldn't keep him & the NCAA might give the university the ammo they need to cut ties with Mr. 12-pack. The UT administration has to take into account all the questionable character kids he's brought into the program as well - the Tyler Smith guns & drugs incident is a good example of that. Would love to see Pearl get the axe - couldn't happen to a much more deserving person. We could find out exactly how important winning is to UT, because that's the only reason for this guy to keep his job.
 
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DZ83CK;1766468; said:
I think Pearl is still in a lot of trouble. The university might just be waiting on the NCAA to find fault before they fire him so as to avoid an OSU/O'Brien scenario. If you can't trust your coach, you shouldn't keep him & the NCAA might give the university the ammo they need to cut ties with Mr. 12-pack. The UT administration has to take into account all the questionable character kids he's brought into the program as well - the Tyler Smith guns & drugs incident is a good example of that. Would love to see Pearl get the axe - couldn't happen to a much more deserving person. We could find out exactly how important winning is to UT, because that's the only reason for this guy to keep his job.
Totally agree. UT should fire him before he brings down the entire basketball program. His recruiting methods always have been somewhat questionable along with the type of players that he has brought in from other schools.
 
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Pearl is a good enough coach that another school would probably be willing to make up for his loss in salary (and UT knows this). Their willingness to reduce his salary to such an extent that he has an incentive to leave suggests that either they'd be fine if he left or there is enough dirt there to make him persona non grata.
 
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Colvinnl;1769951; said:
Pearl is a good enough coach that another school would probably be willing to make up for his loss in salary (and UT knows this). Their willingness to reduce his salary to such an extent that he has an incentive to leave suggests that either they'd be fine if he left or there is enough dirt there to make him persona non grata.
I think he maybe be a "good" recruiter because of the way he recruits but no way do I think he is a good game coach. Even if he was straight up with his recruiting, I would not want him for my basketball coach at a big-time program.
 
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But wait, there's more!
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5714649
During the barbecue that got him into hot water with the NCAA, Tennessee coach Bruce Pearl told recruits and their families at his home that their visit equated to an NCAA violation, according to the termination of employment agreement between Pearl and the university. In the termination letter dated Sept. 9 and obtained initially by WBIR-Channel 10 in Knoxville, athletic director Mike Hamilton wrote that on Sept. 28, 2008, Pearl "knowingly violated NCAA rules." According to Hamilton, during the barbecue at the coach's house Pearl "admitted to the unofficial visitors and their families that their presence at your house was a violation of NCAA rules. You also told the unofficial visitors and their families that you were not going to tell anyone about the NCAA rules violation, and you asked that they not tell anyone either.''

The letter goes on to cite an interview between Pearl and NCAA investigators on June 14, when the university claims that Pearl both failed to promote an atmosphere of compliance and also failed to protect the integrity of the NCAA investigation.

"Everything we're dealing with is stuff that we've known about for a long time," Pearl said.

Pearl first met with his assistant coaches that day to learn about their interviews before he had his own, and later called the father of one of the recruits that had visited his house. The letter claims Pearl wanted to "remind" the father that he had been told two years earlier that the visit was an NCAA violation and that he and his family had a choice whether to attend the barbecue or not.

"At the very least, your calls to the father created the appearance that you were trying to influence the father's statements to the NCAA," Hamilton wrote in the termination letter.

One of the other prospects who attended the cookout is current Tennessee freshman guard Jordan McRae. The Midway, Ga., native has not yet been cleared by the NCAA to play for the Volunteers, but he has been allowed to practice with the team. The letter also details the most damning of the allegations currently facing Pearl -- that he knowingly lied to NCAA investigators when asked about a photograph of recruit Aaron Craft at his home.

Hamilton wrote that Pearl both denied that the photograph was taken at his home and denied knowing a woman in the photograph. He later admitted that the picture was at his home and the woman in question was Jana Shay, the wife of Pearl's assistant coach Jason Shay. Shay has been an assistant for Pearl for 10 years, the last six at Tennessee.

A day after the termination letter was written, a tearful Pearl admitted that he had lied to NCAA investigators. Neither he nor Hamilton mentioned the termination letter or the fact that Pearl had knowingly committed the violations.

"This is something that we're going to have to get through," Pearl said. "We'll have our time in front of the [NCAA] Committee on Infractions when the time comes, we'll deal with the challenges. I think this will die down. Pretty much everything that I know and that we know is out there."

Tennessee's basketball program is currently under NCAA investigation for excessive phone calls, allowing recruits on official visits to stay longer than allowed and meeting with junior recruits at an off-campus site. The university docked Pearl's pay and recently revealed that he is currently working without a contract.

"Based on the facts described [in the letter], Chancellor Cheek and I have determined that you engaged in gross misconduct, including dishonesty and other acts involving intolerable behavior," Hamilton wrote in the letter. "As a result, the university is terminating your employment agreement for adequate cause."

Hamilton said lawyers are working to finalize a new contract for Pearl which will reflect his lowered salary, but until then Pearl is working as an "at-will" employee and could be fired or resign at any time without penalty.

"I am so committed to being here, and I want to be here this year and I want to be here for a long, long time," Pearl said. "I think the university feels the same way, and I really appreciate our fans continuing to reach out their support."

Pearl had also illegally (per the NCAA) hosted recruits while at UW-Milwaukee.

Apparently the UT administration had taken some notes from Baghdad Bob on how to handle press conferences. How do you not mention Pearl had just had his contract terminated?

Anyway, as I said even before they were being investigated by the NCAA, Pearl is slime. It still rubs me the wrong way how after the Sweet 16 game last year he came out and told the press "our ten is better than their six."

I can only hope he gets canned (I guess it won't be hard since he's an at-will employee) and is banished to basketball Siberia (also known as State College, PA).
 
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1. Commit a violation at an earlier job

2. Knowingly commit the same violation at Tennessee

3. Ask recruits not to tell anybody that you're violating the rules.

4. Lie to the NCAA about what happened.

If that doesn't lead to his termination very soon, I'll be disappointed.
 
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BB73;1797983; said:
1. Commit a violation at an earlier job

2. Knowingly commit the same violation at Tennessee

3. Ask recruits not to tell anybody that you're violating the rules.

4. Lie to the NCAA about what happened.

[sarcasm]This being the SEC, if this doesn't lead to a promotion, hefty raise and signing bonus, I'd be suprised[/sarcasm].
FIFY, had a hard time deciding whether or not to put this in sarcasm font :biggrin:
 
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GrizzlyBuck;1798051; said:
BB73;1797983; said:
1. Commit a violation at an earlier job

2. Knowingly commit the same violation at Tennessee

3. Ask recruits not to tell anybody that you're violating the rules.

4. Lie to the NCAA about what happened.

This being Tennessee which is in the SEC, if this doesn't lead to a promotion, hefty raise and signing bonus, I'd be suprised.

FIFY, had a hard time deciding whether or not to put this in sarcasm font :biggrin:

FIFY. :biggrin::biggrin:
 
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BB73;1797983; said:
1. Commit a violation at an earlier job

2. Knowingly commit the same violation at Tennessee

3. Ask recruits not to tell anybody that you're violating the rules.

4. Lie to the NCAA about what happened.

If that doesn't lead to his termination very soon, it must be the SEC.

FIFY
 
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