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Brady "XLLL" Hoke (Head Coach San Diego State)

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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Another quote from the presser:

Hoke on whether the athletic trainers did tests on the sideline, “I assume so.”

OK, let me understand this... you've now had 2 days to talk to your medical staff... and.. you didn't even ask them if they tested him? You just assume so?
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He just got out of his feeding. Cut him some slack.

Am I alone in picturing Hoke sitting in meetings doodling pictures of his favorite foods?

"What do ya think, Brady?"

"I'm sorry, what? I was doodling."
 
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So say he waves off a substitution (like he did), and Hoke lets him play another snap. Wasn't that next snap 3rd down? So after the incompletion, he's coming off the field for the punt, anyway. Have someone check him out then, for corn sakes! And if he went BACK into the game when Gardner's helmet got knocked off, you'd better be damn sure that he checked out clear of concussions. I don't care what other reasons you have - Bellomy can't find his helmet (WTF?!?!), didn't want to use a time-out, whatever - run a wildcat play, if you don't have any other choice.
 
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NFBuck said:
Head injuries, or in this case--potential head injuries are a much larger issue these days given the documented long-term issues they cause.

The bottom line in all of this is that leaving Morris in that game did no good. He was playing horribly, and was clearly hurt...in more ways than one. Gardner was on the sidelines healthy. Should he have been pulled prior to the hit? Who knows. That's a matter of opinion. But when you throw in the possible head injury following that hit, it should be pretty cut-and-dry. You get him out to evaluate him at the very least, and you certainly don't send him back out a few plays later.
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I agree with you to an extent. I think it probably would have been the smarter move to pull Morris even before that high hit, because he had clearly been hurting for a while, he was playing like crap, and I'm not sure there was much to gain by letting him "tough it out".

But to your point that "you always pull a player when he possibly has a head injury", I think that's a bit of an oversimplification. A player, especially a QB, "possibly" has a head injury after any number of different plays during a game. But a coach can only reasonably expected to pull him out when there is some reason to make him believe there was some substantial likelihood of a head injury, not just any possibility of it. And you have a legitimate view that Hoke had ample reason to believe there was substantial likelihood of a head injury there. But even stipulating that opinion is correct, I think it is more likely that Hoke sincerely did not think there was a concussion issue there, than that he did but decided to play on anyway.
 
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Zurp said:
So say he waves off a substitution (like he did), and Hoke lets him play another snap. Wasn't that next snap 3rd down? So after the incompletion, he's coming off the field for the punt, anyway. Have someone check him out then, for corn sakes! And if he went BACK into the game when Gardner's helmet got knocked off, you'd better be damn sure that he checked out clear of concussions. I don't care what other reasons you have - Bellomy can't find his helmet (WTF?!?!), didn't want to use a time-out, whatever - run a wildcat play, if you don't have any other choice.
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Roughing penalty = automatic 1st down.
 
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zincfinger said:
I see no reason why it couldn't be a matter of opinion and SOP, although I wasn't aware of that being some kind of strict, universally adopted rule. And I think someone brought it up earlier in the thread, but I don't remember people being especially outraged when Gardner played the whole OSU/UM game last year, dragging a leg behind him and pretty clearly beat to hell. Or, I'm sure, quite a few other players in recent years who have kept going when they were in obvious, observable pain.
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Why would people be upset if Gardner wasn't pulled and tested for a concussion over a leg injury?
I mean, I'm not adverse to comparing the entire team to cockroaches but their brains aren't actually in their legs.

PS Fuck Hoke for making me actually feel sorry for Shane.
 
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AJHawkfan said:
Serious question: with the way he bumbles and stumbles and murmurs through the media's questions, how the fuck did he go through the interview process, leaving them with a real strong this-is-our-guy feeling?

And if he, by comparison, interviews well, I'd love to hear what the also-rans sounded like......
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This is exactly what I think every time I hear him speak.
 
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kujirakira said:
Why would people be upset if Gardner wasn't pulled and tested for a concussion over a leg injury?
I mean, I'm not adverse to comparing the entire team to cockroaches but their brains aren't actually in their legs.

PS Fuck Hoke for making me actually feel sorry for Shane.
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According to what you have said in this side discussion, people would be upset about that because it is now SOP to pull a player for evaluation whenever he takes a nasty hit and is in obvious pain or otherwise shaken up. As was the case for Gardner multiple times in that game.
 
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and is in obvious pain or otherwise shaken up
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I'm going to ignore the "shaken up" b/c the definition is ambiguous at best.
Pain has nothing to do with it -- Morris showed several signs of not having his wits about him. The way he rolls over during the hit raises question marks even before he goes limp like a noodle immediately after getting up. Throw in the half-witted looking waiving off attention and all the signs are there.
Those signs aren't there for your Gardner example. Those signs aren't conclusive of a concussion. But they are pretty conclusive that he needs to be evaluated for one.
 
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kujirakira said:
I'm going to ignore the "shaken up" b/c the definition is ambiguous at best.
Pain has nothing to do with it -- Morris showed several signs of not having his wits about him. The way he rolls over during the hit raises question marks even before he goes limp like a noodle immediately after getting up. Throw in the half-witted looking waiving off attention and all the signs are there.
Those signs aren't there for your Gardner example. Those signs aren't conclusive of a concussion. But they are pretty conclusive that he needs to be evaluated for one.
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After taking a direct helmet-to-the-chin hit, he may have been trying to tough it out, telling the sidelines to leave him in, but at least one of his teammates on the field were calling for the training staff to at least come out to take a look at him.

Seem like they might be a little more reliable in that situation......
 
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kujirakira said:
I'm going to ignore the "shaken up" b/c the definition is ambiguous at best.
Pain has nothing to do with it -- Morris showed several signs of not having his wits about him. The way he rolls over during the hit raises question marks even before he goes limp like a noodle immediately after getting up. Throw in the half-witted looking waiving off attention and all the signs are there.
Those signs aren't there for your Gardner example. Those signs aren't conclusive of a concussion. But they are pretty conclusive that he needs to be evaluated for one.
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I agree with you that "shaken up" is a vague phrase. So if you are ignoring that phrase, and pain has nothing to do with it, I guess you are retracting your statement made earlier, in response to a comment I made to NFBuck, that it is standard operating procedure to pull a player after he suffers a nasty hit and is in obvious pain or otherwise shaken up.
 
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