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BII/SGN Clarification -- Open Letter (Merged)

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Wow....uh, wow. A whole gamut of emotions on this thread. I don't pretend to know anything about what is going on here, more than I have read on the threads. Personally, I'll leave the heavy hitting to the people who are on the inside of the issue and who devote a whole lot of energy and resources to make this board work. I try and help out where I can, but my relatively meager contribution was/is confined to the Game Previews during the season. I think/hope it helped out 3yards and the crew when they needed it, and I really enjoy doing it, but compared to them, I have no place to speak in depth about this particular topic, so I won't.


All I can say is that I was finished with message boards when BN went, in my opinion, downhill sharply in recent years. After I slaved through grad school at Ohio State, I was ready to leave that part of my life behind me and move on. Then I happened upon this site, and everything changed. There were fans here of all ages, who appreciate not on the product on the field, but in the classroom, and also the history of the program, the older players, the other Buckeye sports programs, and everything else I enjoy talking about. There is a forum for civil discussion about other topcics and <gasp> politics to boot. This is really the only message board I post on, and I have had countless positive interactions with so many of you here. Adjusting to a new state and a new job, and suffering through my mother's bout with cancer with her have made for a difficult 18 months for me, but this board has always been a place to break up a mundane day and find a reason to laugh, smile, or get riled up when necessary, and for that I appreciate everyone I have interacted with immensely. I never had any problems with any of the people who have started the new site, and I wish them all the best. But for the camraderie, community, and sense of (forgive me ladies) brotherhood that one gets from this site, there is nowhere else to be, and nowhere else to go. Because of this, BP will never be diminished in any way, because of a pay site, a complimentary site, a copycat job, or anything in between. It's not just putting time into features: it's knowing one can come here to commiserate, ask a question, debate a topic, get opinions, find ideas, analyze games, or just talk to people, anytime, who share a common passion. Nothing beats that....and nothing can.
 
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I keep wanting to post what's going through my head on this subject, but I can't put it into words.

When I received the initial invite from Alan to check out BII and essentially become a charter member, I could see the benefits of the site. Here was a site that was to be all about Inside Info, as the title suggested. Better than BN and without all of the crap. A place where I could find out about the next big thing in Buckeye history without searching through the 25 threads about the Zwick/Smith quandry.

I think it can and will still be that.

I think emotions are running a bit high right now and we all need to step back, take a deep breath, relax, and let C-Dog and Alan play this out.

BP is here and its not going away anytime soon. SGN is in its fledgling stages. See what develops before we chase down Alan with torches and pitchforks.

Edit: Unsigned dings RAWK!!! pussy
 
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Wow.....Wow.......WOW........ What to say, what to say?.....

To Clarity and the rest of the admin/mod team, BP is awesome. It is quite simply the greatest Buckeye site on the web, hands down. If you continue to treat everyone the same way you always have, it will always stay the best.

I know the last thing Clarity wants to do is turn this into an "us versus them" pissing match, but given the general appearance of the other site, it's very difficult not to. It's understandable why feelings are hurt and toes feel stepped on. The way it appears to me now, BII/SGN is nothing more than a straight copy of BP.
 
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BP is a place for fans, not profiteers.

I also wish Greg Powers all the best, and hope that he will occasionally visit the Planet as a fan, just like everyone else here. The rest of BII is completely irrelevant to me.
 
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When all of the dust settles, you'll find me here. I love this place. I love and hate(affectionately) the posters here. I think this place has the best damn administrators and moderators of any site. There can only be one Clarity, and he is here. I don't like what has transpired ever since Dihard went on a rampage and totally disrespected Sears. I don't like that BII has taken the evolution of this site and used it as its foundation. I don't like that they have been trying to poach from other Buckeye websites. But, I wish them luck. May you all become rich beyond your wildest expectations. I'll stay here in the cheap seats.
 
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BII/SGN Clarification -- Open Letter

WOW!

Clarity, i just finished reading war & piece, i mean your post.

First, thank you for the information and for taking the time to explain what is going on. I have been on many sites where the "creators/admins/mods, ect" would have just pushed the ban button on DiHard & blocked his IP address; i admire your ability to offer a second chance. Many other sites also wouldn't have told their posters what was going on, that’s what makes this site so great. BP isn't just a site where people post stuff and then argue back and forth or kiss each others ass and go along. BP is more than a message board, more than a buckeye community, hell, we are a buckeye family. Sure we have our strange or "out there" posters, but they are respected for what they have to say (provided they can express it intelligently). There are some of us that spend as much time on here, just joking back and forth, giving/asking for advise, and sharing stories, as we do doing our jobs. (yes my boss has made many comments).

Also, Clarity, stop being so damn humble! What you have done/are doing is incredible, take a step back look at the whole BP picture and give yourself a pat on the back, tell yourself good job.

There are something’s that we can always count on:

Death

Taxes

Thump saying homo

and that i'll be here as long as i'm welcome, BP is my home
 
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I finally ventured over to SGN last night and all I can say is WOW! I can see why everyone was in an uproar.

I did happen to read a thread started by 3yards and was replied to by Greg Powers and LloydSev that helped explain things a little but still think DiHard making a 6/13 concrete deadline to open the site may have hamsturng the admins a bit.

I might as well throw this out there as well. If I have to hear DiHard/Alan say one more time "When I'm talking to Coach Tressel" or "When Coach Tressel had us read the book blah blah blah..." I could just puke.

Is DiHard/Alan a coach or know a coach or is he just a local guy, just like us, who just is a hanger on? No one has ever once told us what qualifies him as an "Insider."

I personally don't have the time or the desire to go watch football practices but if he has the means to do it, more power to him.

Also what's up with the top of the page at SGN saying a subscription is "$49.95 (Usually it's $77.)" How can it usually be $77 if the site has only been open 4 days?

When have they ever charged $77?

Also in regards to what grad21 mentioned earlier, Alan, if you told him (grad21) that Tressel was going to baptize you, that makes you look foolish b/c last I was aware of, Coach Tressel wasn't an ordained minister.

I can't just go out and baptize whoever I want so I don't know how Coach Tressel can.
 
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Maybe Tress had finally just had enough of him, and was meaning that he was going to piss on his head or something :)

No reason to start fights over this. The people who want to spend their hard earned cash for inside info, more power to them. I am stayin right here.
 
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Hey... Really great posts guys... I ran out of Rep for the day- so sorry if I didn't get to yours- but its just nice to know that everyone feels the same way I do...
 
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I'm with BKB here. I am grateful for the insight that Alan brought us over the past few months and wish him and his team the best on SGN. I may pop over there from time to time, buit don't plan on shelling out any cash.

This site has been so enjoyable for me since I joined in SP04 and I thank Clarity and the rest of the BP contributers for that. Thanks again for sparking the creation of such a vibrant and enjoyable site.

Go Bucks! Only 78 days until kickoff! :)
 
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Damn, this thread has taken off.

I started to check it out before driving to work, and now it seems to have taken an entirely different direction. While I do agree that BII/SNG does have an eerily familiar layout, I would think that would be do to familiarity and ease of use.

I don't begrudge anyone making a buck, and if I could get paid for following the Bucks I would be in heaven.

Clarity, I have said it a thousand times, but I will say it again. Thank You!!!
 
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I have been posting on BII/SGN for weeks now. I will say I was quite surprised with the new layout and I wondered what the reaction on BP would be (Were they aware of the similarity, did they support it, etc). I guess I now know.

I do appreciate all the hard work put in by Clarity and various people who have supported this site since its inception. This site is unbelievable in the amount of support it provides to members well beyond just discussing the gridiron. It truly has become a community.

I will continue to post at both sites and hope the two can truly complement one another (one provides insider info and the other provides everything else). I have never paid for the insider information as I have just never felt it was worthwhile.

SGN will never be able to replace BP, but I do not think anyone is foolish to think anything can replace this site. It will mature and find its way to the type of site it wants to be. I will never begrudge someone from trying to pursue their dreams as long as it does not infringe on the rights of another. I hope SGN does well and I know the members of the BP community will continue to keep this the best fan site out there.

Finally, Clarity, you continue to be in my thoughts and prayers. I hope all works out for you. I cannot offer much assistance but please do not hesitate to contact me at any point.
 
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