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Big Ten Conference Divisions

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jimotis4heisman;1833876; said:
does the causual fan even know vanderbilt is in the sec, or that vandy is in nashvegas?
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About as much as the casual fan knows that Northwestern is in the Big Ten or that it's located near Chicago.

and northwestern was pretty good in the mid 20s til the war or so. then after the war they were ok. they really didnt "suck" starting until the 70s
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Prior to 1970 Northwestern is 105 out of 122 schools in win%.

310-322-38 .49%
 
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jimotis4heisman;1833876; said:
does the causual fan even know vanderbilt is in the sec, or that vandy is in nashvegas?

and northwestern was pretty good in the mid 20s til the war or so. then after the war they were ok. they really didnt "suck" starting until the 70s
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These divisional names are so pompous sounding and yet still pathetic. Whoever approved these names should eat a bag o dicks. And the people who actually thought of these names should be the ones to have their dicks ripped and placed in that bag.
 
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I will preface this by saying that I don't like the division names. I've already said that in this thread and that remains my position.

However, after more thought, I see why it kinda fits if you overthink it. Think about the other conferences that have division names:

  • Southeastern Conference (East-West). They draw their identity from their geography. It's in their conference name, and the division names drill down to a more specific level.
  • Atlantic Coast Conference (Atlantic-Coastal). Conference name and division names derived from geography
  • Pacific 12 (North-South). More geography.
  • Big XII (formerly North-South). Failing conference, but a noted exception - there are no geographical references in their conference name. Everybody has re-aligned into the Fiefdom of Texas division.
There are no references to geography in the Big Ten conference name. It's gong to sound smug to say this (and that's part of the problem with the L&L division names) but the member institutions see their "Bigness" (or greatness) as being more essential to their collective identity than their geography. If that's what you're drilling down from, coming to names like "Legends" and "Leaders" is the next natural step. Those are two ways the conference is getting specific about "Big", just like east-west are ways of being more specific about Southeastern.

All that said, the names do sound smug, and they are also a bad idea because they only begin to make sense when you rationalize them to that extent. The conference would have been better served with something that could be taken at face value.

East-West, though a bit incongruous, would have been my preference. I appreciate the the Big Ten tries to blaze their own trail. However, there are some instances where it's better just to fit in. This was one of them.

Also, as somebody mentioned earlier in the thread, the new logo works much better if you get rid of the word "TEN" at the bottom. The "B1G" part works pretty well for me, though they could stand to reduce some more of the negative space in the opening of the "G" to make it look even more like a zero.
 
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jlb1705;1833315; said:
It could have been worse. They could have gone with Dungeons and Dragons.
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Dungeons, Dragons and Big Ten divisions

The new Big Ten has 12 teams and will start every season with two Ls.

If this has you confused, it's meant to in the new Large Dozen. The Big Ten made a big deal Monday out of revealing the names of its two six-team divisions. Then it underwhelmed us. The divisions are named Leaders and Legends. Not to be confused with Dungeons and Dragons or Abbott and Costello.

Leaders Division: Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Wisconsin

Legends Division: Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern


"There's nothing, maybe, like it out there," Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said.

That's certainly true. With all the great history and tradition available to it, the haughty Big Ten went low brow, corporate, generic. Leaders and Legends? That's the name of the trophy store down the street. What were "Gods" and "Superheroes" already taken? One thing for sure: The league won't be getting any cease and desist letters from famous people unless it's this guy. Sign ups are now being taken for summer school classes just to memorize the members of each division.

"Maybe if people don't embrace it in the first hour," Delany said, "they will in the first 24 or 36."

.../cont/...
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Muck said:
About as much as the casual fan knows that Northwestern is in the Big Ten or that it's located near Chicago.



Prior to 1970 Northwestern is 105 out of 122 schools in win%.

310-322-38 .49%
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they sucked from the 1870s to the mid 1920s. got that. you fail to take that into consideration. they had about a 40 year run were they were more than respectable.

im willing to bet that people can recognize northwestern is from chicago. but thats just an assumption of mine.
 
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jimotis4heisman;1833903; said:
they sucked from the 1870s to the mid 1920s. got that. you fail to take that into consideration. they had about a 40 year run were they were more than respectable.
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1930-1969: 156-184-1 0.46% (108 of 129)

Massaging it to come up with the best possible years within that range gives:

1924-1963: 170-161-14 0.51% (94 of 131)

iim willing to bet that people can recognize northwestern is from chicago. but thats just an assumption of mine.
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Prior to the Rose Bowl year in the 90's I had a hard time finding people who had even heard of Northwestern or knew they were a member of the Big Ten let alone had an idea where they were located.
 
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jlb1705;1833897; said:
I will preface this by saying that I don't like the division names. I've already said that in this thread and that remains my position.

However, after more thought, I see why it kinda fits if you overthink it. Think about the other conferences that have division names:

  • Southeastern Conference (East-West). They draw their identity from their geography. It's in their conference name, and the division names drill down to a more specific level.
  • Atlantic Coast Conference (Atlantic-Coastal). Conference name and division names derived from geography
  • Pacific 12 (North-South). More geography.
  • Big XII (formerly North-South). Failing conference, but a noted exception - there are no geographical references in their conference name. Everybody has re-aligned into the Fiefdom of Texas division.
There are no references to geography in the Big Ten conference name. It's gong to sound smug to say this (and that's part of the problem with the L&L division names) but the member institutions see their "Bigness" (or greatness) as being more essential to their collective identity than their geography. If that's what you're drilling down from, coming to names like "Legends" and "Leaders" is the next natural step. Those are two ways the conference is getting specific about "Big", just like east-west are ways of being more specific about Southeastern.

All that said, the names do sound smug, and they are also a bad idea because they only begin to make sense when you rationalize them to that extent. The conference would have been better served with something that could be taken at face value.

East-West, though a bit incongruous, would have been my preference. I appreciate the the Big Ten tries to blaze their own trail. However, there are some instances where it's better just to fit in. This was one of them.

Also, as somebody mentioned earlier in the thread, the new logo works much better if you get rid of the word "TEN" at the bottom. The "B1G" part works pretty well for me, though they could stand to reduce some more of the negative space in the opening of the "G" to make it look even more like a zero.
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In the end that is what happened. They overthinked it. They pigeon-holed the process by not being able to use Geography or people's names.

Legends and Leaders is what you come up with when smart people are trying to be different and then they overdo it by picking a concept that goes over everyone's heads.

Regarding the logo... I think color choices would make a huge difference. I like how they did it, but the baby blue has to go along with just bolding the B in black.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1833922; said:
Pick the names of two of the frickin' lakes. OK, you can't use Michigan. You can't call one of the divisions Superior. Ontario sounds too Canadian.

The Huron and Erie divisions. Done. Where's my $250K consulting fee, Jim?
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[Iowa AD] VETO! All we've got is a damn river.[/Iowa AD]
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1833922; said:
Pick the names of two of the frickin' lakes. OK, you can't use Michigan. You can't call one of the divisions Superior. Ontario sounds too Canadian.

The Huron and Erie divisions. Done. Where's my $250K consulting fee, Jim?
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The chief of the Huron Tribe just PM'd Gatorubet to see if he can sue for that name being used.
 
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Poe McKnoe;1833932; said:
I'm fairly certain there's precedent that we can take and use whatever we want.
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Yes! Manifest Destiny!

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