Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Mike80]

I you would like to see a supremely delusional (or desperate) fanbase, see theories, comments or stories by Connecticut fans. I don't know about Cincinnati fans, but I guess I could understand UConn fans grasping at anything.

Didn't realize -- outside of Temple -- the entire Big East weren't in BCS conferences when the BCS started in 1998.

UCONN is in a bad situation - they spent a bunch of money to get to D-1A football, their "legendary" basketball coach just left them in the lurch and beyond their women's basketball team, they are basically not very well-known. While they do provide a bit of a regional rivalry to BC in the ACC, they don't bring much else to the table at this point.

 

[VBSJ]

UCONN is in a bad situation - they spent a bunch of money to get to D-1A football, their "legendary" basketball coach just left them in the lurch and beyond their women's basketball team, they are basically not very well-known. While they do provide a bit of a regional rivalry to BC in the ACC, they don't bring much else to the table at this point.

I'm serious. If you want to see delusion, speak to Connecticut fans.

They're talking partial membership for UConn for all sports other than football in the Big Ten

While the Big Ten is at it, they might as well add Hawaii and the University of Tokyo. Lots of TV's in Japan.

I can understand desperation, but UConn fans are wacked out of their skulls.

 

[Mike80]

I'm serious. If you want to see delusion, speak to Connecticut fans.

They're talking partial membership for UConn for all sports other than football in the Big Ten

While the Big Ten is at it, they might as well add Hawaii and the University of Tokyo. Lots of TV's in Japan.

I can understand desperation, but UConn fans are wacked out of their skulls.

I believe you.

Although if you want to really get outside of the Big Ten footprint, let's add one of the big universities in London or Germany or something

 

[Muck]

I'm still holding out for Toronto.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

I'm still holding out for Toronto.

I'm with you.

 

[zincfinger]

I don't know how often non CIC members collaborate with CIC members on different programs, share expertise, campus resources...

I don't have any numbers to give you, but it happens all the time. The federally-funded research projects currently underway at OSU probably number in the tens-of-thousands. CIC can point to some discrete number that were designed to be intra-CIC collaborations, and that's great. But it also pales enormously in comparison to the number of projects that were set up by individual professors who were free to collaborate with whomever they liked.

Bear in mind that academia is inherently collaborative (also, and conversely, competitive - but still inherently collaborative). The CIC, to my view, is largely a formal declaration of the collaborative spirit that already existed. And that still exists between CIC members and non-CIC members.

And honestly, a good portion of the self-description on the CIC website is a lot of fluff, of the same type that inexperienced resume writers put on their resumes to describe their "leadership skills" and so forth. I don't mean to run the CIC down, or say that it has no significance, but I do think that its tangible significance is greatly overblown in some of these discussions.

 

[Steve19]

Oh, who hasn't had a night of passion with her at this point?

[*regular poster*] coming with comment about two minutes of fury in 3--2--1...

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

I don't have any numbers to give you, but it happens all the time. The federally-funded research projects currently underway at OSU probably number in the tens-of-thousands. CIC can point to some discrete number that were designed to be intra-CIC collaborations, and that's great. But it also pales enormously in comparison to the number of projects that were set up by individual professors who were free to collaborate with whomever they liked.

Bear in mind that academia is inherently collaborative (also, and conversely, competitive - but still inherently collaborative). The CIC, to my view, is largely a formal declaration of the collaborative spirit that already existed. And that still exists between CIC members and non-CIC members.

And honestly, a good portion of the self-description on the CIC website is a lot of fluff, of the same type that inexperienced resume writers put on their resumes to describe their "leadership skills" and so forth. I don't mean to run the CIC down, or say that it has no significance, but I do think that its tangible significance is greatly overblown in some of these discussions.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Bucknut24]

All in all, I still don't see much happening until the Maryland case is resolved....

now this we agree on

 

[CincyInterloper]

I you would like to see a supremely delusional (or desperate) fanbase, see theories, comments or stories by Connecticut fans. I don't know about Cincinnati fans, but I guess I could understand UConn fans grasping at anything.

Didn't realize -- outside of Temple -- the entire Big East weren't in BCS conferences when the BCS started in 1998.

Mostly doom and gloom among the the Bearcats. What realignment giveth, realignment taketh away. We only got into the Big East because they were raided by the ACC. So, it's tough to complain about getting the short end of the realignment stick today. I figure we have about a 50% chance of backfilling the ACC after they get raided again, which would basically be the Big East 2.0 at that point.

Oh, and Temple got kicked out, then invited back. How pitiful is that?

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Mostly doom and gloom among the the Bearcats. What realignment giveth, realignment taketh away. We only got into the Big East because they were raided by the ACC. So, it's tough to complain about getting the short end of the realignment stick today. I figure we have about a 50% chance of backfilling the ACC after they get raided again, which would basically be the Big East 2.0 at that point.

Oh, and Temple got kicked out, then invited back. How pitiful is that?

Proper Fucked?​

 

[Bucknut24]

I'm gonna regret posting this because it's only gonna lead to more arguments, but from the Shag

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/sho...t-going-away?p=5033000&viewfull=1#post5033000

My position on expansion is evolving. As recently as last week I was certain the demise of the ACC was just around the corner. I was certain that Jim Delany was hovering over the phone waiting for the right moment to strike down the ACC, but now I have a different perspective.
Why? Because the most valuable ACC schools have deep roots in the conference.
This past weekend dozens of volunteers gathered at Greenbrier State Forest to build a new mountain bike trail. Occasionally a small tree would have to be cut down and the stump removed.
Building a trail is hard work especially when done with manual labor. Stumps do not give ground easily – they are reluctant to be uprooted.
The same can be said of the ACC schools considering a move to the Big 10. On paper the move to the Big 10 is one that has to be made, but the roots that hold these schools in the ACC run deep and its not so easy to sever the ties that bind.
I considered the amount of work necessary for Jim Delany to uproot the ACC as we dug around the base of the small tree to expose its roots. It was hard backbreaking work and progress was slow, but eventually we cut the roots and removed the stump.
Eventually Virginia, Georgia Tech and even North Carolina will sever the ties and make the move. They can do nothing else as the progress of the Big 10 and the Big Ten Network demands they uproot and move or die.
The ACC is an outlier despite its current status as a member of the big 5. Very soon the Big 12, Pac 12 and SEC will follow the Big 10’s lead and the practice of scheduling FCS schools will end. What will replace it is scheduling agreements between the big 4 that effectively relegates the ACC to FCS status.
Alone and cut-off from the rest of the major football conferences the ACC will wither on the vine and die a slow death.
That’s one way to look at it. The other way is the parable of the mini-excavator.
We had a mini-excavator doing the majority of the bench cuts for the new trail. When the mini-e came across a tree or root it just ripped it from the ground and rolled forward — no delay, no hassle and certainly no sweat.
The only question is whether Jim Delany has access to a mini-excavator.
Rumors
The big rumor is that UNC has an offer from the Big 10 and is working towards completing the paperwork the Big 10 requires. I’ve been skeptical of this one since it would seem that UNC would have the deepest roots of anyone in the ACC, but multiple sources confirm that the Big 10 has extended an invitation to North Carolina.
UNC’s offer is the type the conference doesn’t make unless it knows it will be accepted.
The same sources insist that both UVA and Georgia Tech are on board with the Big 10 too. So who’s #18?
No one is saying FSU is #18. The name mentioned most often is Notre Dame.
I hope Jim Delaney has access to an earthmover powerful enough to uproot Notre Dame

Personally, I think FSU has a better shot at becoming 18 than ND....IF ND were to join they would be 19 or 20

Saying UNC, UVA and Ga Tech will prob join is really nothing earth shattering, but I don't believe UNC has an offer, I don't even think UNC knows what they're gonna do yet, and B1G isn't just gonna send a random offer out, this isn't like recruiting

 

[Muck]

Personally, I think FSU has a better shot at becoming 18 than ND....IF ND were to join they would be 19 or 20

Saying UNC, UVA and Ga Tech will prob join is really nothing earth shattering, but I don't believe UNC has an offer, I don't even think UNC knows what they're gonna do yet, and B1G isn't just gonna send a random offer out, this isn't like recruiting

Go back & read the article detailing the Maryland negotiations. It's surprising how very much like recruiting it was.

North Carolina is the single most valuable potential member not named Texas or ND. They are a peer with B1G schools in every regard. They may not have Mike Mauti style hand written note saying "would you like to join our club? circle Yes or No" but there is no doubt in my mind that if Thomas Ross called Delaney at 3:00 this morning & said "We want to become partners & are ready to move" that the COP/C would be in a teleconference before the end of the day taking a vote and by Monday there would be an official press release welcoming the Tarheels as the newest B1G member.

 

[Mike80]

If he's not taking academics into the equation (which is why he says FSU might be #18), then he's not thinking about this on the same plane as the COP/C and Delaney.

 

[Woody1968]

I'm gonna regret posting this because it's only gonna lead to more arguments, but from the Shag

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/sho...t-going-away?p=5033000&viewfull=1#post5033000



Personally, I think FSU has a better shot at becoming 18 than ND....IF ND were to join they would be 19 or 20

Saying UNC, UVA and Ga Tech will prob join is really nothing earth shattering, but I don't believe UNC has an offer, I don't even think UNC knows what they're gonna do yet, and B1G isn't just gonna send a random offer out, this isn't like recruiting

That is actually a cut and paste of the dude of WV from twitter's page.

Here is the original link:
http://www.sportsmancave.com/acc-schools-have-deep-roots/

Apparently this is showing up in Texas land, because some clown gave theDudeofWV a radio show, and he had Chip Brown on last night.