Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Woody1968]

What is the supposed allure of Florida State (besides the girl in the cowboy hat from a few years ago)? Relatively small school, in Tallahassee, third-tier academics, almost zero athletic success outside of football (which has underachieved of late... or reached its equilibrium post-DaddyBob dadgummit), no one in the South, outside of north FL and south GA, cares about it so you're not exactly pulling in much of an additional tv market... their colors are hideous... In short, could someone explain why they're even part of Big Ten speculation with nothing in common with Big Ten schools? Anyone can bang the white trash, semi-hot chick in the bar... but should you just because you can?

I agree with everything else, but it has over 41,000 students, which makes it about the same size as the University of Illinois. I would not really consider that to be relatively small.

 

[RugbyBuck]

I agree with everything else, but it has over 41,000 students, which makes it about the same size as the University of Illinois. I would not really consider that to be relatively small.

You're right. I meant relatively small stadium for a program with the delusions of grandeur of the Seminole Nation.

 

[Bucknut24]

What is the supposed allure of Florida State (besides the girl in the cowboy hat from a few years ago)? Relatively small school, in Tallahassee, third-tier academics, almost zero athletic success outside of football (which has underachieved of late... or reached its equilibrium post-DaddyBob dadgummit), no one in the South, outside of north FL and south GA, cares about it so you're not exactly pulling in much of an additional tv market... their colors are hideous... In short, could someone explain why they're even part of Big Ten speculation with nothing in common with Big Ten schools? Anyone can bang the white trash, semi-hot chick in the bar... but should you just because you can?

nope and LOL nope...

you're also forgetting there are a ton of Big 10 alumni down here, so it would have a HUGE impact on the tv markets..

If FSU were to string together 2 or 3 really good years, they would be come the national power that they were in the 90s, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were to really improve in many areas with the money they would be getting from the B1G

 

[Bucknut24]

You're right. I meant relatively small stadium for a program with the delusions of grandeur of the Seminole Nation.

FSU would have the 4th biggest stadium in the Big 10

ranking just ahead of Wisconsin

 

[MaxBuck]

... 18)FSU

I guarantee FSU gets a look at, and IF the B1G offers them, which I think they will, they will be in the Big 10

I guarantee you Delany will look at getting FSU in

When I say some moves, I mainly meant FSU

I'm saying Delany will push for FSU

FSU has a better chance than Duke

I do think it's close to a guarantee B1G will end up with either ND or FSU, MAYBE both, but at least one of those 2

Until FSU gets a AAU membership they will not be in the B1G.

and I'm telling you, they will consider accepting them without it

I'm telling you that you are apparently obsessed with the idea of Florida State Teachers' College in the Big Ten.

 

[VBSJ]

I'm telling you that you are apparently obsessed with the idea of Florida State Teachers' College in the Big Ten.

I know that blogger "Frank the Tank" certainly is.

 

[Bucknut24]

I'm telling you that you are apparently obsessed with the idea of Florida State Teachers' College in the Big Ten.

I'm not obsessed, I'm just trying to respond to people blasting me for thinking FSU is a legit choice, just like I think ND is a legit option

I know that blogger "Frank the Tank" certainly is.

I dunno who that is

 

[VBSJ]

Maryland broke "Open Meetings" law when joining the Big Ten.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...6f2380-81c3-11e2-a350-49866afab584_story.html

I'm sure Maryland is very concerned about this.

 

[Muck]

Maryland broke "Open Meetings" law when joining the Big Ten.

[link]

I'm sure Maryland is very concerned about this.

Oh noes!!

.../snip/...There appeared to be no penalty for the regents other than the embarrassment of a public scolding from a state board..../snip/...

 

[ScriptOhio]

Maryland broke "Open Meetings" law when joining the Big Ten.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...6f2380-81c3-11e2-a350-49866afab584_story.html

I'm sure Maryland is very concerned about this.

Good thing Maryland isn't a Catholic school:

 

[HorticullyBuck]

Is it possible that the B1G makes a school an AAU membership within a lets say (5)? year term period after joining the B1G? just a thought,

 

[BUCKYLE]

I'm not obsessed, I'm just trying to respond to people blasting me for thinking FSU is a legit choice, just like I think ND is a legit option



I dunno who that is

Do you have any inside info to be able to guarantee stuff?

 

[Buckeye Maniac]

Is it possible that the B1G makes a school an AAU membership within a lets say (5)? year term period after joining the B1G? just a thought,

The Big Ten has absolutely nothing to do with the AAU...

 

[Muck]

Catholic 7 will begin play this year. Will keep Big East name. Xavier & Butler will join immediately. Big East will pay their exit fees ($2M).

UD, Saint Louis & Creighton might be joining the later.

In exchange for giving up the Big East name the remaining football schools (that's UConn, USF & Cincy folks) will keep the exit fees & tournament credits of the FB schools leaving (Rutgers, WVU, Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt) as well as the entry fees for the new members. That could be worth upwards of $80M.

If they can't get into the ACC a year early, ND may compete in the reborn Big East for 13-14.

LINKS:
Yahoo
ESPN
SI
ABC
CBS Sports
CBS Sports - Big East Realignment Funds

A good summation can be found on this Hoya Blog

So the 2013-2014 Big East lineup most likely look like (rank is RPI):
10. Georgetown 22-4
13. Marquette 20-7
29. Butler 22-6
45. Notre Dame 22-6
56. Villanova 18-11
62. St. John's 16-11
83. Xavier 16-11
85. Providence 15-12
115. Seton Hall 14-15
188. DePaul 11-17

Possible future members:
29. Saint Louis 22-5
42. Creighton 23-7
109. Dayton 15-12

Defecting:
12. Syracuse 22-6
43. Pitt 22-7
111. Rutgers 13-13

Left Behind:
33. UConn 19-8
51. UC 19-9
134. USF 10-17

Joining the left behinds:
20. Memphis 24-4
39. Temple 20-8
99. ECU 12-10
108. UCF 19-9
171. Tulane 18-10
209. Houston 15-11
218. SMU 14-14

For all of the alleged BB prowess of the C7 teams only Georgetown & Villanova have actually won conference titles over the past twenty years. Georgetown outright in 06-07 & 07-08 while Villanova had two shared titles in 96-97 & 05-06. Out of the top 10 in attendance only 3 are from the C7 Marquette (#3), Georgetown (#5) & Villanova (#8).

Personally I just don't see the value ascribed to most of the C7 schools.

 

[Woody1968]

Catholic 7 will begin play this year. Will keep Big East name. Xavier & Butler will join immediately. Big East will pay their exit fees ($2M).

UD, Saint Louis & Creighton might be joining the later.

In exchange for giving up the Big East name the remaining football schools (that's UConn, USF & Cincy folks) will keep the exit fees & tournament credits of the FB schools leaving (Rutgers, WVU, Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt) as well as the entry fees for the new members. That could be worth upwards of $80M.

If they can't get into the ACC a year early, ND may compete in the reborn Big East for 13-14.

LINKS:
Yahoo
ESPN
SI
ABC
CBS Sports
CBS Sports - Big East Realignment Funds

A good summation can be found on this Hoya Blog

So the 2013-2014 Big East lineup most likely look like (rank is RPI):
10. Georgetown 22-4
13. Marquette 20-7
29. Butler 22-6
45. Notre Dame 22-6
56. Villanova 18-11
62. St. John's 16-11
83. Xavier 16-11
85. Providence 15-12
115. Seton Hall 14-15
188. DePaul 11-17

Possible future members:
29. Saint Louis 22-5
42. Creighton 23-7
109. Dayton 15-12

Defecting:
12. Syracuse 22-6
43. Pitt 22-7
111. Rutgers 13-13

Left Behind:
33. UConn 19-8
51. UC 19-9
134. USF 10-17

Joining the left behinds:
20. Memphis 24-4
39. Temple 20-8
99. ECU 12-10
108. UCF 19-9
171. Tulane 18-10
209. Houston 15-11
218. SMU 14-14

For all of the alleged BB prowess of the C7 teams only Georgetown & Villanova have actually won conference titles over the past twenty years. Georgetown outright in 06-07 & 07-08 while Villanova had two shared titles in 96-97 & 05-06. Out of the top 10 in attendance only 3 are from the C7 Marquette (#3), Georgetown (#5) & Villanova (#8).

Personally I just don't see the value ascribed to most of the C7 schools.

So basically Cincy is downgraded to the NEW CUSA - I think this is even worse for them in basketball - I always thought of them as more of a basketball school.