Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[shiznit7]

Wow, I went to UVA for grad school, and I could not disagree with that statement more. UVA also sees itself as a national public university, probably even more so than UNC. The average yokel in rural Virginia probably sees themselves as southern, but UVA has gone out of their way to alienate the in state students, especially in the graduate and professional schools, while attempting to get out of state students, primarily from the Northeast/Mid Atlantic.

After visiting good friends at both schools, I definitely agree with this statement. There is a little bit of the old-Southern feel at UVA, but at UNC their southern mentality defines them. I think it's pretty funny that UNC wants to be/is an academic hardhitter, but would jump at the SEC and lower their standards because of footbawww. My best friend at UNC who was born and raised in Ohio, and still maintains his Buckeye fanhood absoluetly hates the notion of UNC in the B1G. Obviously these are just first-hand experiences, but unless Duke is part of the deal, I don't expect UNC in the B1G anytime soon.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Wow, I went to UVA for grad school, and I could not disagree with that statement more. UVA also sees itself as a national public university, probably even more so than UNC. The average yokel in rural Virginia probably sees themselves as southern, but UVA has gone out of their way to alienate the in state students, especially in the graduate and professional schools, while attempting to get out of state students, primarily from the Northeast/Mid Atlantic.

Agree entirely. An ex-girlfriend did her doctorate there. UVA's culture is a mix of DC-NY-BOS corridor kids who just missed out on the ivies mixed in with a bunch of very, very blue blood old money Southerners. UVA is about as much a fish out of water with the current cultural zeitgeist of the South as Liberty University would be in the Bay Area.

And when it comes to pandering to the wishes of the average Virginian absolutely no [censored]s are given by the administration.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

This has been suggested quite a few times, but I'm skeptical, for two reasons: i) contrary to what seems to be a popular perception, BigTen/CIC schools do not share research money with one another in any meaningful way, and ii) I don't think the BigTen/CIC has much ability "to influence the allocation of federal research dollars to the B1G member schools", regardless of how expansion goes.

Bingo. Whoever wrote that shit on mgoblo is clueless....then again, it's mgoblo. Research money isn't divied up like bowl game earnings or broadcast royalties.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

He may be worry of FSU's crappy academics, if he doesn't want FSU then he would prob want ND at 18 and stop there I'm guessing

FSU is not a AAU member so they will not be asked to join the B1G.

Surprised this hasn't been posted yet... or maybe not since it is from mgoblog. But it is an interesting twist on WHY the B1G is so bent on expanding and why 18-20 might be the number. Could the expansion be more driven by the CIC to gain more research dollars for their respective schools?

The expansion is as much about research money as it is about TV money. I do not know if UVA joining the B1G would directly bring in more money to OSU or not. By bringing UVA into the CIC, OSU can use UVA's assets and research to further its own research projects.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Bingo. Whoever wrote that [Mark May] on mgoblo is clueless....then again, it's mgoblo. Research money isn't divied up like bowl game earnings or broadcast royalties.

No, but he is correct in his analysis that the larger (both in terms of academic prestige and political influence), the CIC's footprint, the larger the share of that pie will go to CIC universities. It's just up to the individual universities to pull their own weight in going out and closing the deal on those grants.

 

[Bucknut24]

FSU is not a AAU member so they will not be asked to join the B1G.



The expansion is as much about research money as it is about TV money. I do not know if UVA joining the B1G would directly bring in more money to OSU or not. By bringing UVA into the CIC, OSU can use UVA's assets and research to further its own research projects.

Not everyone single one is about AAU, some moves will be about pure athletics standpoint, I guarantee FSU gets a look at, and IF the B1G offers them, which I think they will, they will be in the Big 10

 

[Mike80]

Can we kick the Pedsters out?

 

[Mike80]

Not everyone single one is about AAU, some moves will be about pure athletics standpoint, I guarantee FSU gets a look at, and IF the B1G offers them, which I think they will, they will be in the Big 10

None of the Big Ten's additions have been from a pure athletics standpoint, so why would they start now?

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

Not everyone single one is about AAU, some moves will be about pure athletics standpoint, I guarantee FSU gets a look at, and IF the B1G offers them, which I think they will, they will be in the Big 10

No they are not.

 

[Bucknut24]

No they are not.

I guarantee you Delany will look at getting FSU in, if they don't get an invite it's because the presidents shot it down (I don't know if we'll ever know that or not)

 

[Bucknut24]

None of the Big Ten's additions have been from a pure athletics standpoint, so why would they start now?

Becuase we're talking about expanding to 20, this isn't about just adding a team here or there now. When I say some moves, I mainly meant FSU, it's the one school they will try to get that's not about academics, but purely TV and athletics

 

[Mike80]

Becuase we're talking about expanding to 20, this isn't about just adding a team here or there now. When I say some moves, I mainly meant FSU, it's the one school they will try to get that's not about academics, but purely TV and athletics

Delaney has shown to be a realist in this process. You're wrong in thinking that Delaney will try to go against the school Presidents. He doesn't have enough clout overall.

 

[Bucknut24]

Delaney has shown to be a realist in this process. You're wrong in thinking that Delaney will try to go against the school Presidents. He doesn't have enough clout overall.

im not saying that, I'm saying Delany will push for FSU, but if he doesn't convince the presidents, then they won't get an invite, but I think FSU will make a strong enough case to warrant an invite

they've had great academics in past, but it slipped, they're capable of becoming a great academic school in the state of Florida once again

 

[Mike80]

im not saying that, I'm saying Delany will push for FSU, but if he doesn't convince the presidents, then they won't get an invite

No one is even sure he'll push for FSU. Just because FSU is interested doesn't mean the Big Ten is.....especially because these moves are as much (and likely moreso) about academics as they are athletics....

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

I guarantee you Delany will look at getting FSU in, if they don't get an invite it's because the presidents shot it down (I don't know if we'll ever know that or not)

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/26078/nebraska-loses-aau-status

But here's what Perlman said about the AAU and the Big Ten shortly after Nebraska was admitted to the league.
"All the Big Ten schools are AAU members. I doubt that our application would've been accepted had we not been a member of the organization."

The Huskers' nationally known football program might have had a little to do with it, too.

Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany, speaking at last year's spring meetings as expansion was heating up, had this to say about the Big Ten and its AAU ties: "AAU membership is a part of who we are. It's an important part of who we are."