Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Mariotwins]

This is why I don't know if the SEC has their pick of any school, because it seems more reactionary to the Big Ten's moves.

Of course they do. They picked up aTm and look at them now, clearly just being in the SEC promises greatness.

 

[Bucknut24]

Does the SEC really have a say in conference expansion, as much as the fans think the conference does? The conference seems more reactionary to the Big Ten, with several moves.

I'm not talking about on-field performance, but: Big Ten starts a network, SEC starts a network.

Big Ten turns down Missouri, SEC adds Missouri (Texas A&M wasn't an option for B1G).

This is why I don't know if the SEC has their pick of any school, because it seems more reactionary to the Big Ten's moves.

The only schools that they're really fighting for is UNC IMO, I think both conf wants them

 

[RugbyBuck]

UNC isn't ever going to be part of the SEC. There would be mass suicides of Tar Heel alumni. They couldn't possibly maintain their inherent sense of superiority and be an SEC school.

 

[DaveyBoy]

I wouldn't be so confident about that. If UNC took Duke with it to the SEC, they would be fine with that.

Delany wants:

UVa
UNC
Duke
GaTech

UNC isn't ever going to be part of the SEC. There would be mass suicides of Tar Heel alumni. They couldn't possibly maintain their inherent sense of superiority and be an SEC school.

 

[Bucknut24]

I wouldn't be so confident about that. If UNC took Duke with it to the SEC, they would be fine with that.

Delany wants:

UVa
UNC
Duke
GaTech

no he doesn't

 

[Bucknut24]

UNC isn't ever going to be part of the SEC. There would be mass suicides of Tar Heel alumni. They couldn't possibly maintain their inherent sense of superiority and be an SEC school.

you are really out of the loop if you believe that, they will be more mass suicides from the fan base if they go to the B1G, they would much rather go to the SEC than the B1G

 

[Piney]

I wouldn't be so confident about that. If UNC took Duke with it to the SEC, they would be fine with that.

Delany wants:

UVa
UNC
Duke
GaTech

no he doesn't

I agree with you, he doesn't want Duke... replace Duke with Florida State and I think you have Delany's WISH list. (Or replacing them with Notre Dame)

The problem is can Delany persuade the B1G presidents to take a chance on FSU.

you are really out of the loop if you believe that, they will be more mass suicides from the fan base if they go to the B1G, they would much rather go to the SEC than the B1G

Agree again... UNC FAN base would prefer #1 Stay in ACC #2 go to SEC #3 go to Big XII #4 Indpendent #100 go to the Big Ten. UNC fans are VERY southern and would view the B1G as a northern conference it wants no part in. Now the UNC president/chancellor, board of regents/trustees would have the B1G as #2.

 

[Bucknut24]

I personally thing this is his wish list (NOTE: Not what I think will happen but what Delany wants)

15)UVA
16)UNC
17)Ga Tech
*18)FSU?
19)ND
20)Kansas or Missouri


He may be worry of FSU's crappy academics, if he doesn't want FSU then he would prob want ND at 18 and stop there I'm guessing

 

[Piney]

Surprised this hasn't been posted yet... or maybe not since it is from mgoblog. But it is an interesting twist on WHY the B1G is so bent on expanding and why 18-20 might be the number. Could the expansion be more driven by the CIC to gain more research dollars for their respective schools?

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/b1g-expansion-dollars-research-edition

There has been a lot of talk about the sense, or nonsense, of adding Rutgers and Maryland to the B1G in 2014 from a purely athletic point of view (verdict: non-sense), and also from a BTN TV market point of view (verdict: debatable). Whether the strategy will pan out or not, the consensus seems to be that this was all about adding TV dollars and sets, and any future expansion should be viewed through the lens of TV markets and how they may affect BTN revenues. While all this discussion has merit, it misses an important aspect of conference expansion. The impact of expansion on the ability to influence the allocation of federal research dollars to the B1G member schools has monetary implications that dwarf the potential for increased athletic dept. revenues. Whatever the designs of Jim Delaney are as the head of an athletic conference, I think conference expansion decisions are occurring well above his head, and seem to be driven by university presidents with research dollars in mind.

I know... crazy thought... but just an intersting bit of info to add to the overall puzzle of conference expansion.

 

[zincfinger]

Surprised this hasn't been posted yet... or maybe not since it is from mgoblog. But it is an interesting twist on WHY the B1G is so bent on expanding and why 18-20 might be the number. Could the expansion be more driven by the CIC to gain more research dollars for their respective schools?

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/b1g-expansion-dollars-research-edition



I know... crazy thought... but just an intersting bit of info to add to the overall puzzle of conference expansion.

This has been suggested quite a few times, but I'm skeptical, for two reasons: i) contrary to what seems to be a popular perception, BigTen/CIC schools do not share research money with one another in any meaningful way, and ii) I don't think the BigTen/CIC has much ability "to influence the allocation of federal research dollars to the B1G member schools", regardless of how expansion goes.

 

[Mike80]

I personally thing this is his wish list (NOTE: Not what I think will happen but what Delany wants)

15)UVA
16)UNC
17)Ga Tech
*18)FSU?
19)ND
20)Kansas or Missouri


He may be worry of FSU's crappy academics, if he doesn't want FSU then he would prob want ND at 18 and stop there I'm guessing

Delaney will go northeast before he goes to Mizzou (which has been discussed at length) or Kansas (which is a pipe dream)....

 

[Bucknut24]

Delaney will go northeast before he goes to Mizzou (which has been discussed at length) or Kansas (which is a pipe dream)....

and I say no he won't...only way he goes NE is if BC guranteed you ND, ONLY way

 

[RugbyBuck]

In my most humble native Southern opinion, this is a class issue from UNC's perspective, not a regionality question. UNC-Chapel Hill sees itself as a national public university and all of the other UNC affiliates (Greensboro, Wilmington, etc.) are for the state's NASCAR citizenry. As such, Chapel Hill has much more in common with the B1G schools than the SEC and would go with the B1G without being seen internally as losing any "Southerness". That would be a much bigger issue with UVA than UNC.

 

[MaxBuck]

no he doesn't

Duke is a national brand. Like it or not, they'd be an excellent addition to the B1G; people tune in to watch them, love or hate being equal incentives. (The SEC is not a good fit academically or athletically for the Blue Devils.)

 

[Woody1968]

In my most humble native Southern opinion, this is a class issue from UNC's perspective, not a regionality question. UNC-Chapel Hill sees itself as a national public university and all of the other UNC affiliates (Greensboro, Wilmington, etc.) are for the state's NASCAR citizenry. As such, Chapel Hill has much more in common with the B1G schools than the SEC and would go with the B1G without being seen internally as losing any "Southerness". That would be a much bigger issue with UVA than UNC.

Wow, I went to UVA for grad school, and I could not disagree with that statement more. UVA also sees itself as a national public university, probably even more so than UNC. The average yokel in rural Virginia probably sees themselves as southern, but UVA has gone out of their way to alienate the in state students, especially in the graduate and professional schools, while attempting to get out of state students, primarily from the Northeast/Mid Atlantic.