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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

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Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%

  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%

  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%

  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%

  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%

  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%

  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%

  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%

  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%

  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%

  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%

  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%

  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%

  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%

  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%

  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%

  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%

  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%

  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%

  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%
  • Total voters
    313
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thank you, bb.

you know, i don't like calling them 'land thieves' either. mainly because nobody stole any land. what happened was infinitely uglier than land theft.

the 'sooners' went way early and picked their property before the gun sounded to start the land run. the govt was going to give the property away anyway, so who was hurt? the honest people who lived up to the agreement for how the land would be divided. in other words, the sooners cheated their future friends and neighbors out of the best pieces of property. and the state was so enamored of it that they chose to be called the sooner state.

boomer sooner. so what does 'boomer' mean? boomers were people who took up residence on lands that still belonged to the native americans. long before honest people could even line up to take a chance at it.

boomer sooner. what else do you need to know about that state and its flagship program?


i gotta go help the daughter with a balky door. later.
 
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The Big Ten Expansion Index: A Different Shade of Orange ? FRANK THE TANK’S SLANT

hey, here is a very good summary of the situation. particularly interesting is the explanation of his points system and the weighting of the various factors.

also, for the skeptics here, you need to read why he says: 'the Longhorns are a whole lot more open to it than what the public seems to realize.'

this thing may happen.
 
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thank you, j. this is really a good board. it speaks very highly imo of the buckeye world.

i'll keep tabs, but this issue is at the forefront of my interest up here right now, of course.

when this talk got started, my inclination was the pac guys, due mainly to the offensive styles, etc, out there. as i've learned a lot more, i've realized that the big ten is probably the only major conference -- probably the only one period -- that really has its [censored] together. one brand new thing i learned from that article i linked was the bit about resource sharing and the like through the cic. i had no knowledge of even the existence of the cic before posting here. academics is extremely important to longhorns and simply getting to join in such a consortium with the high horsepower programs up here is extremely compelling. like i'm sure stanford and pals would share with us, huh?

really the pac-10 is a mess. the only reason we pay any attention, footballwise, to them is a stinky program so crooked it makes the sooners blush. check out the sooner boards and what they have to say about ttow*.

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*ttow=that team out west. i'm borrowing from you guys. : )
 
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one more thing about this cic issue.

some don't realize it, but longhorn athletics--as important texas athletics is to the school--is not the dog and academics the dog's tail as is the case many places. the existence of an academic and research cooperative must be pretty attractive to the school in general and might go a long ways towards securing the very important support and acceptance of those folks for a major change.
 
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Glenn, who do you think would be your pick for a "rival" if Texas joined the b10? I realize it will pale in comparison to OU & aTm, but wondered what your gut reaction would be. Iowa is the closest but a poor match. OSU & UM already have each other, but there could be unofficial one(s) with Texas.

Right now, the Big Ten has designated rivals who play every year (the other 9 rotate into 7 spots on the schedule). This would probably be maintained if the conference split into divisions, in order to maintain certain rivalries.
 
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I think the vast majority of Big Ten fans, if they had to choose, would agree that Texas is the best option for the conference both short term and long term. I am, however, surprised at how little attention they are receiving in the media, blogs, and social networking sites.

glenn, are you finding that this is a hot topic on UT boards?
 
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jwinslow;1627421; said:
Glenn, who do you think would be your pick for a "rival" if Texas joined the b10? I realize it will pale in comparison to OU & aTm, but wondered what your gut reaction would be. Iowa is the closest but a poor match. OSU & UM already have each other, but there could be unofficial one(s) with Texas.

Right now, the Big Ten has designated rivals who play every year (the other 9 rotate into 7 spots on the schedule). This would probably be maintained if the conference split into divisions, in order to maintain certain rivalries.
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j, i don't understand official vs unofficial rivalry. i mentioned tx vs ou and tx vs ark at the same time that ou vs neb was a very hot topic. i don't see why multiple, relatively equal rivalries are a problem. as for as scheduling, i have no clue about that.

right now, i don't think a tx/ohio st rivalry would pale at all compared to tx/ou. or tx/healthy tson. or tx/penn state. or . . . well, i can envision the compelling kind of big ten tv that has butts warming sofas and barstools all over the country on numerous weekends involving us and not involving us.

like i say 'right now.' because one thing i've learned about life--darn near the only thing some would say--is you can't guess the future. i laugh when the hotshots predict outcomes in close games but cry when the hotshots predetermine who is fit to play for a title. so, like i said the other day, i think we will just have to see how the rivalries shake out.

yes, knife, this topic has remained hot for about a year now with texas fans. we suspect you don't do something like that conference did to us last year and not earn pretty much undying disgust from mack brown and the rest of the coaching staff. the question is: what direction do we go? there isn't anything like agreement on that. wish i knew how our coaches and the major administrators and big supporters felt.
 
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I just meant the Big Ten might set up OSU-UM as the official rivalry that plays annually (just like OSU-PSU), but you could develop one with them unofficially. OSU also has a healthy rivalry with Wisconsin this decade (though not worthy of being labeled as a 'rival' yet).


What are your thoughts on OOC scheduling? It seems like Texas prefers to play 0-1 tough OOC opponents, and scheduling aTm & OU would make life rather difficult on Texas. Would you want to ditch aTm? Play them every few years? Play both every year?
 
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kn1f3party;1627426; said:
I think the vast majority of Big Ten fans, if they had to choose, would agree that Texas is the best option for the conference both short term and long term. I am, however, surprised at how little attention they are receiving in the media, blogs, and social networking sites.

glenn, are you finding that this is a hot topic on UT boards?
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I have a feeling their 'hot topic' is their coming game on January 7th. :biggrin: I doubt any Texas writers are paying that much attention at the moment. But I can see a week or two after the National Championship game we will see more articles regarding Texas as an option for Big 10 expansion. And I wouldn't be surprised if some 'leaks' spring up about the Big 10 looking at Texas.

The Big 10 isn't stupid, the last thing they want is to piss off Texas and rob them of their spotlight before the National Title game.
 
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I have not read this entire thread but I have noticed there has been a lack of discussion of the nonrevenue sports with almost all of the conversation around football and, to a lesser extent, basketball. I understand the income part of it but I think quite a few of you are disregarding the margin of profit.

My point is this. If we win at Texas to the Big Ten granted it would be a huge football and basketball windfall for the conference but then you also have to look at the expense side of the nonrevenue sports traveling major miles to Texas and I do not think they would be bus trips. I know that many of you do not care about the nonrevenue sports but you might want to remember Title IX which comes into play.
 
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LitlBuck;1627476; said:
I have not read this entire thread but I have noticed there has been a lack of discussion of the nonrevenue sports with almost all of the conversation around football and, to a lesser extent, basketball. I understand the income part of it but I think quite a few of you are disregarding the margin of profit.

My point is this. If we win at Texas to the Big Ten granted it would be a huge football and basketball windfall for the conference but then you also have to look at the expense side of the nonrevenue sports traveling major miles to Texas and I do not think they would be bus trips. I know that many of you do not care about the nonrevenue sports but you might want to remember Title IX which comes into play.
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Southwest Airlines right into Austin. :wink2:
 
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LitlBuck;1627476; said:
My point is this. If we win at Texas to the Big Ten granted it would be a huge football and basketball windfall for the conference but then you also have to look at the expense side of the nonrevenue sports traveling major miles to Texas and I do not think they would be bus trips. I know that many of you do not care about the nonrevenue sports but you might want to remember Title IX which comes into play.
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The additional revenue from opening up the Texas markets to the Big Ten Network alone would cover those expenses, at least that's the way it seems to me.
 
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glenn;1627417; said:
one more thing about this cic issue.

some don't realize it, but longhorn athletics--as important texas athletics is to the school--is not the dog and academics the dog's tail as is the case many places. the existence of an academic and research cooperative must be pretty attractive to the school in general and might go a long ways towards securing the very important support and acceptance of those folks for a major change.
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Perfectly stated why Texas is a prototypical Big Ten University.
 
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