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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%
  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%
  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%
  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%
  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%
  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%
  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%
  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%
  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%
  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%
  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%
  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%
  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%
  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%
  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%
  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%
  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%
  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%
  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%

  • Total voters
    313
ORD_Buckeye;1625915; said:
. . . history of taking from their conference partners without giving.
re-read your post, ord, and this really stuck out. i didn't know this about them, but that can be a real association killer. the bag 12 is rife with that kind of me-ism without the stratospheric self-impressions. probably a big reason the bog 12 sucks so bad.

mack gets a lot of grief during recruiting season for occasionally passing on obvious takes who express a lot of interest in us. he really understands the value of chemistry, and my impression is that sometimes it is simply a concern for that that causes him to walk away from a real talent. i mentioned the big red automotive scandal at ou in one of my posts where i warned against taking the cheese on stoops. apparently the qb (a five-star recruit that we were lucky to not get--we wanted him) and back-up offensive lineman were emotionally poisonous to that team, and the qb turned out not to be that good. the big red scandal neatly removed those two players from the team (and the dad of the qb!), and the team was much the better for it.

odd thing, though, is a walk-on wide receiver also got caught in that trap. i've never heard a thing bad about the receiver, and the sooner drumbeaters apparently didn't want that to be public knowledge: it slipped out during the investigation. for one thing, it was bad enough to have a backup lineman getting extra bennies, but to have a walk-on player on the elicit payroll really raises questions about just how many of those guys were getting that good deal. the sooners wanted the scandal to look like just two guys who were conspiring roommates, and that it was confined to those sneaky scoundrels. something like 20 or 25 players were employed at that dealership at that time. i don't have a clue as to what that was about concerning the walk-on kid. maybe he was trouble and i didn't know it. getting rid of a high-profile scholarship player is tricky business--especially the starting qb--when dealing with the press and public, but i have a hard time seeing why a walk-on couldn't just be pitched unceremoniously. a real puzzle to me. i've heard that the investigating committee found enough that it wanted to loom large but that the ncaa had some legislation that former us senator from okla david boren, who is the ou president now, offered help on with some of his former cronies and that that caused the home office to silence the committee. story is that well-connected sooner boosters feel like they dodged a huge bullet. expect a sooner to come along and straighten us all out on this and all else of importance in this world. [if i cause your very nice board to be infested with sooners, some of who admit it, i apologize in advance.]

is it perfume from a dress that makes me so digress?*

at any rate, if we were members in a not dysfunctional conference, and somebody wanted to join who had a history of being uncooperative, i would raise a real stink. i don't think somebody can bring enough to offset the rancor that they could spark, and the value of an association that really gins is not something you want to throw away. i know the nebraska people see us as bullies since we have insisted on a few things that others in that conference didn't want--and got our way--but i see that as a very different thing. we've just made it clear that a few things were unacceptable, and that we would not stay under those conditions. that the conference saw us as so valuable a member that it acquiesced rather than see us leave is not at all the same thing as taking without giving something of comparable value in return.

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*apologies to tom eliot, rip.
 
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Well the Divisons

Got to keep OSU and Michigan and PSU in Same Divison so we can play every year in football and the other divison would be kinda week so be kinda like big 12 with that token big 12 north team imho...Now WVU and Pitt would be better for the whole conf in sports with B-ball and Wrestling teams... But ND is logical...:osu:
 
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buckeyepride23;1626413; said:
Got to keep OSU and Michigan and PSU in Same Divison

I don't give two shits about PoSU.

bp23 said:
so we can play every year in football and the other divison would be kinda week so be kinda like big 12 with that token big 12 north team imho...Now WVU and Pitt would be better for the whole conf in sports with B-ball and Wrestling teams... But ND is logical...:osu:

Wrestling doesn't bring in much (if any) revenue. I highly doubt it's much of a consideration on its own.
 
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JoePa just needs to shut up and do what he's told. Listening to the crazy old coot give an interview, one would think that he's actually driving the expansion bus. Penn State reallly needs to step back and take a look at themselves. They've been no better (if not worse) than Iowa and Wisconsin since joining the Big Ten. They have losing records to both Ohio State and Michigan. Their basketball team hasn't done crap.

Personally, I'd build up a Texas-Iowa rivalry.

Rivalry weekend would be
Ohio State-Michigan
Texas-Iowa
Illinois-NW
Wiscy-Minny
Purdue-Indiana
MSU-PSU
 
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BuckeyeMike80;1626519; said:
I don't foresee expansion happening at this point. Right now the rumors and the goals aren't really matching up, especially since Ntre Ame (who I think was the target) has said they aren't going anywhere.

I disagree. This time I think the bus is leaving the station (well...at least in the next year or two) with or without the domers. The latter increasingly being my preference.

I like to think the Big Ten is not so stupid as to have started this process and held the press conference just so the domer AD could immediately give an interview rejecting us (not that the assholes were ever asked in the first place:smash:) with no concrete process in place.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;1626519; said:
I don't foresee expansion happening at this point. Right now the rumors and the goals aren't really matching up, especially since Ntre Ame (who I think was the target) has said they aren't going anywhere.
I don't see why anyone thinks Notre Dame was the target. They're not that good a fit.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1626565; said:
I disagree. This time I think the bus is leaving the station (well...at least in the next year or two) with or without the domers. The latter increasingly being my preference.

I like to think the Big Ten is not so stupid as to have started this process and held the press conference just so the domer AD could immediately give an interview rejecting us (not that the assholes were ever asked in the first place:smash:) with no concrete process in place.

I think it's another one of those feasibility assessments - I think the Big Ten was hoping that they would open up the possibility and someone would come to them instead of them going out and asking for it.

and never ever underestimate the stupidity of bureaucrats which is essentially who (Barry Alvarez included) is running the show in the Big Ten.

MaxBuck;1626633; said:
I don't see why anyone thinks Notre Dame was the target. They're not that good a fit.

As we have discussed, but as I said just above this sentence, I think the Big Ten was really hoping for someone to come to them. I think Ntre Ame coming out immediately and saying no screwed their timing up.

We'll see what happens and certainly I've been wrong before, but this is what it feels like to me.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1626509; said:
JoePa just needs to shut up and do what he's told. Listening to the crazy old coot give an interview, one would think that he's actually driving the expansion bus. Penn State reallly needs to step back and take a look at themselves. They've been no better (if not worse) than Iowa and Wisconsin since joining the Big Ten. They have losing records to both Ohio State and Michigan. Their basketball team hasn't done crap.

Personally, I'd build up a Texas-Iowa rivalry.

Rivalry weekend would be
Ohio State-Michigan
Texas-Iowa
Illinois-NW
Wiscy-Minny
Purdue-Indiana
MSU-PSU

I'm sure Texas fans are chomping at the bit to play their new arch rival Iowa at the end of every season.
 
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if it comes to pass, i don't think we can predict how the rivalries will shake out. that stuff sorts itself out.

our recent games have the potential to be the start of something, but multiple simultaneous rivalries wouldn't be a surprise. i remember back when arkansas was in the swc that we had two big rivalry games every year. hard to say which was bigger, but nixon came to watch our fight with the pigs.

edit: at that same time, of course, ou had a killer series going with their big 8 rival nebraska. some really memorable games in that series, too.
 
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glenn;1626685; said:
edit: at that same time, of course, ou had a killer series going with their big 8 rival nebraska. some really memorable games in that series, too.

And that Sooners-Huskers rivalry was utterly destroyed by the formation of the Big 12. (the point that has been so often repeated as it is the most relevant to many of us)

But your post points out another danger to rivalries... new rivalries.

Ohio State fans, myself included, are loathe to admit that a de facto rivalry has arisen with Penn State. What if another de facto rival emerged?

What if Ohio State and Texas met for the conference championship game 8 times in a decade and split the series? And what if TSUN continued to suck during that decade (something that now seems possible)?

But then... maybe a new rivalry built on mutual respect is what we need to remind Ohio State and TSUN fans what rivalries are supposed to be.
 
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in a sense i agree that the formation of the bug 12 ruined the great ou-nebraska series, but only because of the limitation of partial qualifiers. nebraska made a career out of taking kids who could only get into a few major conference programs. that's why nebraska continues to rail at the formation of the big 12.

i don't understand why new rivalries are a problem. happens all the time. i'm guessing that tsun is michigan, and if um continues in their tailspin, they aren't going to be your rivals for a while pretty much regardless what happens.

i think a riveting series in the conference title game between the bucks and the horns would be great. great for college football, too.

not all horn fans by a considerable stretch like what seems to be happening. from our perspective, the big danger is recruiting. the big ten has had a very important small stream of texas kids making their mark for years now as it has been. a number of horn fans warn that our playing big ten teams routinely would naturally increase that number. you want to know why ou has been happy to play us in dallas every year?

also, if the bog 12 shatters, many worry that the sec would snap up a&m if only to get the same sort of presence in texas. between an improved access for big ten teams and sec teams, it could make our recruiting a lot more iffy, and possibly make us rely a lot more on out of state kids. we don't like that for a variety of reasons, of course. it is great when texas meets alabama in another week and it's pretty much texas kids versus southern kids.

maybe you guys who aren't too keen on this have our interests at heart. if so, it is much appreciated. : )

concerns for the baseball program are real. i do think, though, that concerns for the football program far outweigh them. texas is going to always put football before any other sport.
 
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glenn;1626776; said:
in a sense i agree that the formation of the bug 12 ruined the great ou-nebraska series, but only because of the limitation of partial qualifiers. nebraska made a career out of taking kids who could only get into a few major conference programs. that's why nebraska continues to rail at the formation of the big 12.

i don't understand why new rivalries are a problem. happens all the time. i'm guessing that tsun is michigan, and if um continues in their tailspin, they aren't going to be your rivals for a while pretty much regardless what happens.

i think a riveting series in the conference title game between the bucks and the horns would be great. great for college football, too.

not all horn fans by a considerable stretch like what seems to be happening. from our perspective, the big danger is recruiting. the big ten has had a very important small stream of texas kids making their mark for years now as it has been. a number of horn fans warn that our playing big ten teams routinely would naturally increase that number. you want to know why ou has been happy to play us in dallas every year?

also, if the bog 12 shatters, many worry that the sec would snap up a&m if only to get the same sort of presence in texas. between an improved access for big ten teams and sec teams, it could make our recruiting a lot more iffy, and possibly make us rely a lot more on out of state kids. we don't like that for a variety of reasons, of course. it is great when texas meets alabama in another week and it's pretty much texas kids versus southern kids.

maybe you guys who aren't too keen on this have our interests at heart. if so, it is much appreciated. : )

concerns for the baseball program are real. i do think, though, that concerns for the football program far outweigh them. texas is going to always put football before any other sport.

TSUN = "That School Up North", which is how Woody referred to the rival squad. We prefer to not call them by their actual name, but TSUN is somewhat more respectful than 'land thieves', as some Longhorn fans refer to the Sooners. :wink2:
 
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