Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[zbuck]

Just my guess:
Notre Dame holds "so much sway" because the ACC is just happy to have half of Notre Dame. Notre Dame does put butts in the seats, but - way more importantly - they turn on a lot more television sets. Am I showing my age? "Television sets". They get a lot more viewers than normal, whether it's cable TV, whatever streaming service, and other online viewing possibilities there are. I don't know if Florida State or Clemson get a lot of viewers, or Virginia or Virginia Tech or Boston College or Pitt. But I would imagine that Notre Dame gets more than double any of those teams. So for 4-6 games a year, those teams get OOC games against a juggernaut of a team, as far as viewers go.
As far as getting their TV network, I would imagine that the Big Ten would require that to be ripped up.
I want to see the Big Ten tell Notre Dame to go jump off a bridge. And if they're still intent on getting them into the league, cut them out for all sports - no Big Ten team should play Notre Dame. Furthermore, put the message out there that if you want to join the Big Ten, stop scheduling Notre Dame. Any team that has Notre Dame on the schedule for anything cannot get an invite to the Big Ten.
But I like the idea of just not adding Notre Dame - ever. If it comes down to 2 super conferences, they can see how they like the SEC.

Unfortunately if ND is ever to join the BIG it will be because some dispassionate media type, who doesn't harbor the ill feeling we all do towards them, will be making the decision ....

But I'm with you. Fuck'em ....

 

[Zurp]

Unfortunately if ND is ever to join the BIG it will be because some dispassionate media type, who doesn't harbor the ill feeling we all do towards them, will be making the decision ....

But I'm with you. Fuck'em ....

Yeah. If it's 2 super conferences, Notre Dame will be in the Big Ten. Cry about it all you want, but I believe it will happen. Maybe not soon, but "eventually".

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Yeah. If it's 2 super conferences, Notre Dame will be in the Big Ten. Cry about it all you want, but I believe it will happen. Maybe not soon, but "eventually".

Not being able to script their schedules, given no special treatment whatsoever, given the same amount of money as Rutgers. Want a game in Boston or Jerry World? Fine, but you have to burn off a home game for it because no conference team is going to feel compelled to use one of theirs. Watching that would definitely have an upside.

Given that the SEC isn't going to give them anything different, one wonders if their bitter animosity towards the B1G is so great that they'd literally go SEC just to spite us? Stanford would fucking love that. "Pack up your bags, Stanford. We're taking you to DeliveranceLand."

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

I like the idea of just not adding Notre Dame - ever.

Second!

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Just my guess:
Notre Dame holds "so much sway" because the ACC is just happy to have half of Notre Dame. Notre Dame does put butts in the seats, but - way more importantly - they turn on a lot more television sets. Am I showing my age? "Television sets". They get a lot more viewers than normal, whether it's cable TV, whatever streaming service, and other online viewing possibilities there are. I don't know if Florida State or Clemson get a lot of viewers, or Virginia or Virginia Tech or Boston College or Pitt. But I would imagine that Notre Dame gets more than double any of those teams. So for 4-6 games a year, those teams get OOC games against a juggernaut of a team, as far as viewers go.
As far as getting their TV network, I would imagine that the Big Ten would require that to be ripped up.
I want to see the Big Ten tell Notre Dame to go jump off a bridge. And if they're still intent on getting them into the league, cut them out for all sports - no Big Ten team should play Notre Dame. Furthermore, put the message out there that if you want to join the Big Ten, stop scheduling Notre Dame. Any team that has Notre Dame on the schedule for anything cannot get an invite to the Big Ten.
But I like the idea of just not adding Notre Dame - ever. If it comes down to 2 super conferences, they can see how they like the SEC.

Unfortunately, it crosses over into collusion and anti-trust for sure with non-B1G teams, and it's probably a grey area with B1G teams since schools freely make up their non-conference schedules. I'm all for anything that hurts ND, but I don't think this can happen, certainly not strong-arming non-B1G teams to blackball them.

EDIT: One additional aspect that came to mind is that none of our media partners would be cool with losing Notre Dame games, and NBC would probably go to the mattresses against us to protect ND.

OTOH, we can certainly kick their asses out of our hockey conference.

 

[calibuck]

Zurp, if the ACC subsumes into the SEC, yeah, we'll see how ND likes it. They will rise to the top academically, but probably languish in the bottom half of the SEC. You make a good point, as the conferences expand, it makes ND's 'independence' more tenuous. You also sound alot like Woody, who would not schedule ND - why should we give them exposure to our recruits, probably misquoted, but basically what he said. And, I believe as you seem to, that the SEC and B10 will direct their member schools not to schedule the Domers. PS, when do you believe the B10 will tell ND to take their hockey team out of the B10 schedules? Don't believe the ACC has any hockey teams.....Go Bucks!

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Zurp, if the ACC subsumes into the SEC, yeah, we'll see how ND likes it. They will rise to the top academically, but probably languish in the bottom half of the SEC. You make a good point, as the conferences expand, it makes ND's 'independence' more tenuous. You also sound alot like Woody, who would not schedule ND - why should we give them exposure to our recruits, probably misquoted, but basically what he said. And, I believe as you seem to, that the SEC and B10 will direct their member schools not to schedule the Domers. PS, when do you believe the B10 will tell ND to take their hockey team out of the B10 schedules? Don't believe the ACC has any hockey teams.....Go Bucks!

When two B1G schools add D1 hockey. Illinois flirted with it and passed, but that was before the three networks backed up a billion dollars to our door. Hopefully, that will be reevaluated. It makes so much sense since Chicagoland is one of the best recruiting grounds outside of Canada and Minnesota, and so many of those Chicago suburban kids grow up as huge hockey fans. There's infinitely more hockey culture in that student body than there is in ours. It really is a no-brainer, which makes it unsurprising that Illinois would fuck it up.

 

[Beano Cook]

"USC and UCLA aren't who you beat to win the Big Ten! They're who you beat after winning the Big Ten!" - Woody

All of this conference stuff isn't going over well with the old boys. Can we just start playing the games already?

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

I hate it here.

 

[Bestbuck36]

No no no. Thats just dumb.

Put Navy in but no Army and Air Force? UNC but no Duke? That will go over well. The Big XII will have zero chance to win a football title but basketball would be strong af

 

[kujirakira]

and the western teams playing in the east aren't playing at noon

After 100 years of Rose Bowl, fuck em.
Schedule all their games for 10am.

Why would anyone leave the big10? I could see us kicking some schools out, but it wont be any of those 4.
It would be Indiana and Nebraska for me.

Same topic, different subject. Saw that ND wanted the ACC to add Stanford and Cal. Most likely to upgrade ACC academic stature, plus giving ND teams to play on their 'independent' schedule. Hello! If ND is an independent in football, how the heck can they have a seat on the ACC Board? I get they play ACC teams in olympic sports, but football is the driver here. Does anyone know how/why ND holds so much sway? Maybe I'm naive, but they shouldn't even be at the ACC table (or at least not in my world). As a lifelong ND hater, my father raised me well, have really soured on ND joining the B10. Don't believe they'd join us, as cannot envision our presidents kowtowing to ND's demands. Sure, it might add a few thousand more butts in the seats, but seems our stadiums (stadia?) are pretty full now. Besides, my wires may be crossed, but isn't ND's tv deal with another network? Cannot fathom how that would play out, with ND v (Xichigan, tOSU, Penn St, etc) on Fox, and same game on what, ESPN?
Let them languish where they are. PS, are they AAU worthy? Didn't think ND had the graduate programs that could carry the research grants...Go Bucks!

It's the ACC, who else is going to swing their biggus dickus? Clemson and FSU ? They dont even want to be there anymore.
UNC and Duke?
Miami ?

Notre Dame chose the ACC because they could act like this without even joining.

I hate it here.

One of these conferences is not like the others.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

Bert McDildoInAss has an idea.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

Welp, was on Twitter for 5 minutes and I'm done.

 

[CincyInterloper]

Bert McDildoInAss has an idea.

I just threw up a little in my mouth. Thanks for sharing.

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

Bert McDildoInAss has an idea.

Dumbest idea ever. Stanford is looking for a football partner from a P4 conference. They can easily find a west coast conference for their Olympic sports.