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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

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Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%

  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%

  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%

  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%

  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%

  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%

  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%

  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%

  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%

  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%

  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%

  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%

  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%

  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%

  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%

  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%

  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%

  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%

  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%

  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%
  • Total voters
    313
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Mike80's post is worth the read, even though got kicked out of BP when exited.....further proof that college football is now being controlled by the Benjamins ($100 bills). Fox etc 'paying for' the increased TV exposure, and Fox's plans for 'incursion into the south' for the B10 kinda opened my naive eyes a tad. Maybe Fox should have a seat on the B10 President's committee? Seems like they're directing the non-academic pieces of the organization. PS, call me an elitist prick or not, but strongly believe that the B10 should not dilute the academic portion of the organization(s) by accepting less than stellar academic credentials/research objectives into the fold. Believe the word for placing money above all else has a name, and it's prostitution.
 
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BuckTwenty said:
Anyone know if that twitter handle has any credibility?
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No idea. It does connect some dots but that could be because they are easily connected - which is different from being factual.

Ultimately, time will tell. I don't, however, think Clemson or FSU are high on any Big Ten administrator's list of schools they'd like to invite. I can't imagine the Fox partnership has that much pull into who gets in with an organization like the Big Ten...
 
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Mike80 said:
No idea. It does connect some dots but that could be because they are easily connected - which is different from being factual.

Ultimately, time will tell. I don't, however, think Clemson or FSU are high on any Big Ten administrator's list of schools they'd like to invite. I can't imagine the Fox partnership has that much pull into who gets in with an organization like the Big Ten...
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We’ll know if Clemson gets in (or not)
 
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calibuck said:
Mike80's post is worth the read, even though got kicked out of BP when exited.....further proof that college football is now being controlled by the Benjamins ($100 bills). Fox etc 'paying for' the increased TV exposure, and Fox's plans for 'incursion into the south' for the B10 kinda opened my naive eyes a tad. Maybe Fox should have a seat on the B10 President's committee? Seems like they're directing the non-academic pieces of the organization. PS, call me an elitist prick or not, but strongly believe that the B10 should not dilute the academic portion of the organization(s) by accepting less than stellar academic credentials/research objectives into the fold. Believe the word for placing money above all else has a name, and it's prostitution.
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I want to say those people are called avaricious according to Dante and are headed for the 4th? ring of Hell.

You mentioned the academics stuff and my brain actually tried to start working. Go figure
 
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Same topic, different subject. Saw that ND wanted the ACC to add Stanford and Cal. Most likely to upgrade ACC academic stature, plus giving ND teams to play on their 'independent' schedule. Hello! If ND is an independent in football, how the heck can they have a seat on the ACC Board? I get they play ACC teams in olympic sports, but football is the driver here. Does anyone know how/why ND holds so much sway? Maybe I'm naive, but they shouldn't even be at the ACC table (or at least not in my world). As a lifelong ND hater, my father raised me well, have really soured on ND joining the B10. Don't believe they'd join us, as cannot envision our presidents kowtowing to ND's demands. Sure, it might add a few thousand more butts in the seats, but seems our stadiums (stadia?) are pretty full now. Besides, my wires may be crossed, but isn't ND's tv deal with another network? Cannot fathom how that would play out, with ND v (Xichigan, tOSU, Penn St, etc) on Fox, and same game on what, ESPN?
Let them languish where they are. PS, are they AAU worthy? Didn't think ND had the graduate programs that could carry the research grants...Go Bucks!
 
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calibuck said:
Same topic, different subject. Saw that ND wanted the ACC to add Stanford and Cal. Most likely to upgrade ACC academic stature, plus giving ND teams to play on their 'independent' schedule. Hello! If ND is an independent in football, how the heck can they have a seat on the ACC Board? I get they play ACC teams in olympic sports, but football is the driver here. Does anyone know how/why ND holds so much sway? Maybe I'm naive, but they shouldn't even be at the ACC table (or at least not in my world). As a lifelong ND hater, my father raised me well, have really soured on ND joining the B10. Don't believe they'd join us, as cannot envision our presidents kowtowing to ND's demands. Sure, it might add a few thousand more butts in the seats, but seems our stadiums (stadia?) are pretty full now. Besides, my wires may be crossed, but isn't ND's tv deal with another network? Cannot fathom how that would play out, with ND v (Xichigan, tOSU, Penn St, etc) on Fox, and same game on what, ESPN?
Let them languish where they are. PS, are they AAU worthy? Didn't think ND had the graduate programs that could carry the research grants...Go Bucks!
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Calford certainly helps academic stature, but a conference with UVA, Duke, UNC, Pitt, BC, GaTech and Miami doesn't need Calford to gain academic respectability. The school that desperately wants to be validated by Stanford's academics is Notre Dame. They love those three hours every year on national television where their handpicked announcers constantly equate Notre Dame to Stanford academically. I'm not sure what Stanford gets out of the relationship other than a nationally televised game every year and a full stadium every other year.
 
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Ord, not entirely certain that ND doesn't equate to Stanford - as a four year college only. Also, Stanford's curricula is far more expansive than NDs. Guess what I'm saying is that ND is very much upper tier as an undergrad university, but falls way short in the number of colleges it offers. My gray matter is fading, but seem to recollect that B10 offered to take ND, but the requirement was that they add a number of grad schools. Much like Penn St having to add a jet-capable runway so teams didn't have to bus in. Am certain someone with more lit candles in their candelabra than I possess will remember more clearly. Yeah, ND compares, but certainly isn't at the same level as Stanford. And heck, ND doesn't compare to tOSU in the number of grad schools/professional (medical, dental, law, engineering, etc) that are offered. They do chicken, and pretty much that's it. PS, I'd go to Duke before ND......
 
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calibuck said:
Same topic, different subject. Saw that ND wanted the ACC to add Stanford and Cal. Most likely to upgrade ACC academic stature, plus giving ND teams to play on their 'independent' schedule. Hello! If ND is an independent in football, how the heck can they have a seat on the ACC Board? I get they play ACC teams in olympic sports, but football is the driver here. Does anyone know how/why ND holds so much sway? Maybe I'm naive, but they shouldn't even be at the ACC table (or at least not in my world). As a lifelong ND hater, my father raised me well, have really soured on ND joining the B10. Don't believe they'd join us, as cannot envision our presidents kowtowing to ND's demands. Sure, it might add a few thousand more butts in the seats, but seems our stadiums (stadia?) are pretty full now. Besides, my wires may be crossed, but isn't ND's tv deal with another network? Cannot fathom how that would play out, with ND v (Xichigan, tOSU, Penn St, etc) on Fox, and same game on what, ESPN?
Let them languish where they are. PS, are they AAU worthy? Didn't think ND had the graduate programs that could carry the research grants...Go Bucks!
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Just my guess:
Notre Dame holds "so much sway" because the ACC is just happy to have half of Notre Dame. Notre Dame does put butts in the seats, but - way more importantly - they turn on a lot more television sets. Am I showing my age? "Television sets". They get a lot more viewers than normal, whether it's cable TV, whatever streaming service, and other online viewing possibilities there are. I don't know if Florida State or Clemson get a lot of viewers, or Virginia or Virginia Tech or Boston College or Pitt. But I would imagine that Notre Dame gets more than double any of those teams. So for 4-6 games a year, those teams get OOC games against a juggernaut of a team, as far as viewers go.
As far as getting their TV network, I would imagine that the Big Ten would require that to be ripped up.
I want to see the Big Ten tell Notre Dame to go jump off a bridge. And if they're still intent on getting them into the league, cut them out for all sports - no Big Ten team should play Notre Dame. Furthermore, put the message out there that if you want to join the Big Ten, stop scheduling Notre Dame. Any team that has Notre Dame on the schedule for anything cannot get an invite to the Big Ten.
But I like the idea of just not adding Notre Dame - ever. If it comes down to 2 super conferences, they can see how they like the SEC.
 
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