Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Thump]

They can take their time with Oregon and Washington. Where are they gonna go? The Big 12? They'll be available if and when the Big Ten comes calling.

They can go get their “Shine box.”

 

[calibuck]

Didn't think they'd go to Mountain West.....but cannot see why these two? Oregon not exactly a big market, Portland and ?. Washington has Seattle, a fair sized metropolis, don't know how rabid they can be/are. But basically saying that the revenue generation of those two choices isn't the draw that even Iowa has. Soooo, puting on my economic-man hat, why would you expand to contract the total revenues generated? Given that UCLA/USC will gradually grow into full partners (much like Rutgers and Maryland), does expanding cross-country transit for teams make economic sense? And what about the teams that play more than a game a week? Does basketball take a 'western swing', playing say two games in three days (and then air travel), baseball would play a game, and then a double-header next day, and then bus/fly somewhere else and effectively miss classes for ten days. It's gonna start with UCLA/USC, so why not chill out and see how the other sports are effected. Heard from Bucknets Morning 5, what if tOSU goes into triple OT with USC, and then has to fly back to C'bus, and plays another game in five days? And gets beaten because the kids are overtired? I'm certain smarter folk than me (especially the league Presidents) have noodled out the educational ramifications. Go Bucks!

 

[BuckTwenty]

The previous step to maximize TV revenue had to do with media markets for the Big Ten Network on cable. They had Chicago already, but they secured the rest of the top 4 media markets in the US by bringing on Rutgers, Maryland, and both USC & UCLA

The next step that is about to begin is for the conference to have as many big game match-ups for their national media partners (Fox/CBS/NBC) as possible. If they can get at least 3 big games per week, one primetime game for each TV partner, that makes a win/win for everybody. If they are able to do this, they should bring in even more than the $1 billion/year figure on the B1G's next media contract. The more money the individual B1G teams make, the bigger the advantage they have over the rest of college football collectively and individually

Washington & Oregon would bring MAJOR eyeballs to the conference with both of them having big game football match-up potential on par with some of the higher end teams in the B1G. Plus, they bring in more audience from the untapped/underutilized west coast. Washington has the academic research side to boot that fits perfectly in the B1G. Oregon is also an AAU school which has been a pre-requisite for B1G membership in the past, but they would be dead last in research in the conference behind Nebraka by a fairly large margin, which has apparently been a major sticking point for them joining

Don't get me wrong- the media markets that they would both bring in matter, but the big games and large audiences they would bring will matter more in the next step of college football dominance. And in the end, I think both U-Dub & Oregon will get invites to the B1G when the time is right, and will be better-than-expected fits to the conference, especially as USC and UCLA get acclimated to their new surroundings

 

[Abenaki]

"If FSU, Clemson, VA, NC & Miami were to become available, as one Big Ten source put it, “Those schools are where the real value is."

That person was particularly interested in Virginia and North Carolina as new states and/or markets for the Big Ten to extend down the East Coast. This Big Ten source believes expansion out East makes far more sense than expanding into the Pacific Northwest, which has not had nearly enough support internally or among the league’s media partners since the idea was first broached."

ACC realignment rumblings: How airtight is grant of rights?

ACC schools are locked into the conference until 2036. As the SEC and Big Ten get richer, do those schools have any real options to cash in?

theathletic.com

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Didn't think they'd go to Mountain West.....but cannot see why these two? Oregon not exactly a big market, Portland and ?. Washington has Seattle, a fair sized metropolis, don't know how rabid they can be/are. But basically saying that the revenue generation of those two choices isn't the draw that even Iowa has. Soooo, puting on my economic-man hat, why would you expand to contract the total revenues generated? Given that UCLA/USC will gradually grow into full partners (much like Rutgers and Maryland), does expanding cross-country transit for teams make economic sense? And what about the teams that play more than a game a week? Does basketball take a 'western swing', playing say two games in three days (and then air travel), baseball would play a game, and then a double-header next day, and then bus/fly somewhere else and effectively miss classes for ten days. It's gonna start with UCLA/USC, so why not chill out and see how the other sports are effected. Heard from Bucknets Morning 5, what if tOSU goes into triple OT with USC, and then has to fly back to C'bus, and plays another game in five days? And gets beaten because the kids are overtired? I'm certain smarter folk than me (especially the league Presidents) have noodles out the educational ramifacations. Go Bucks!

I'm pretty sure that USCLA are coming in as full partners one day one.

 

[Jaxbuck]

They can go get their “Shine box.”

 

[BuckTwenty]

I'm pretty sure that USCLA are coming in as full partners one day one.

That is correct, they will both be full partners from day 1

 

[Woody1968]

Virginia and UNC - come on down!

I do wonder if this is why the Big Ten hasn't pulled the trigger on Oregon and Washington.

They can take their time with Oregon and Washington. Where are they gonna go? The Big 12? They'll be available if and when the Big Ten comes calling.

I tend to think this ACC crap is a lot of noise to get a new revenue sharing model, rather than these schools looking to bolt. That said, I would say that FSU and Miami are more likely than Oregon/Washington at this point. Florida is the 3rd most populated state in the union, and FSU Miami is still a draw down there. Yeah, both those teams suck, but you know they would at least bring in some $ value to any contract negotiations. Throw in Georgia Tech, and the B1G would be in 9 of the 10 most populated states. The only thing Oregon and Washington add are travel partners for USC and UCLA.

 

[Abenaki]

I tend to think this ACC crap is a lot of noise to get a new revenue sharing model, rather than these schools looking to bolt. That said, I would say that FSU and Miami are more likely than Oregon/Washington at this point. Florida is the 3rd most populated state in the union, and FSU Miami is still a draw down there. Yeah, both those teams suck, but you know they would at least bring in some $ value to any contract negotiations. Throw in Georgia Tech, and the B1G would be in 9 of the 10 most populated states. The only thing Oregon and Washington add are travel partners for USC and UCLA.

I don't think any of the ACC schools are moving soon. Maybe in 6-7 years when the Big Ten is negotiating its next deal w might see some opportunity for things to change. I think the conference is set until then.

I do tend to believe the Big Ten will end up in Florida, like it or not. Yeah, AAU, research, etc...There's too many people and too much talent and too much money to be made to cede the state to the SEC.

 

[kujirakira]

Grab Florida, because they're already in the Union.
I think we're a ways away. I look at the list of schools and I don't think UGA is close.
No medical school. An engineering school that is in its infancy with low enrollment (relative to incoming class size).

It's not a bad thing, those who follow USNWR rankings usually see UGA as a riser in public school rankings. But we don't have the infrastructure or leadership talent to flesh out the research portion of the university. That could be a decades long process.

Just for clarity - by "added", i meant added to the AAU not added to the B1G.
I think it's a dead end conversation to add anyone from the SEC to B1G. And especially not the big name programs, like UF or UGA.


Fair points.
Previously i thought Georgia' biggest obstacle was the private vs public aspect of their research funds. Georgia gets a lot of cash from private industry, whereas AAU exists as a lobbyist group for locking up government research funding (the rich get richer).

 

[CincyInterloper]

"If FSU, Clemson, VA, NC & Miami were to become available, as one Big Ten source put it, “Those schools are where the real value is."

That person was particularly interested in Virginia and North Carolina as new states and/or markets for the Big Ten to extend down the East Coast. This Big Ten source believes expansion out East makes far more sense than expanding into the Pacific Northwest, which has not had nearly enough support internally or among the league’s media partners since the idea was first broached."

ACC realignment rumblings: How airtight is grant of rights?

ACC schools are locked into the conference until 2036. As the SEC and Big Ten get richer, do those schools have any real options to cash in?

theathletic.com

The thing about Miami (of Florida) is that, what if they get into the B1G and the B1G takes them to the woodshed and straightens them out? I really enjoy watching the never-ending succession of clown shows down there. You know, the whole Two-Live Crew, Nevin Shapiro, John Ruiz, coke-and-hookers thing. If they get into the B1G, that might all get shut down. Is that something we really want to see?

 

[Jaxbuck]

The thing about Miami (of Florida) is that, what if they get into the B1G and the B1G takes them to the woodshed and straightens them out? I really enjoy watching the never-ending succession of clown shows down there. You know, the whole Two-Live Crew, Nevin Shapiro, John Ruiz, coke-and-hookers thing. If they get into the B1G, that might all get shut down. Is that something we really want to see?

It’s an interesting point but I don’t think you’ll ever get the U out of Miami.

 

[CincyInterloper]

It’s an interesting point but I don’t think you’ll ever get the U out of Miami.

You'll never get the U out of Miami... I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' the U is out there. The U, lowering the bar for for all us sinners.

 

[calibuck]

Someone brought up the educational aspect of adding to the B10. Yeah, there's a research-based programmatical aspect to membership, don't remember the alphabetical designation (AAU?), but don't know/believe that FSU or UM meet those criteria. FLA does, but they're entrenched in the SEC. From what I know, Oregon might be a bit light there, but Udub might have a significant amount of outside research going on. Certainly not as much as Stanford and Cal, but that's an issue for another day. Seems more like the B10 is trying to lock down the larger population areas for cable purposes, rather than maintain educational/research standards.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

Someone brought up the educational aspect of adding to the B10. Yeah, there's a research-based programmatical aspect to membership, don't remember the alphabetical designation (AAU?), but don't know/believe that FSU or UM meet those criteria. FLA does, but they're entrenched in the SEC. From what I know, Oregon might be a bit light there, but Udub might have a significant amount of outside research going on. Certainly not as much as Stanford and Cal, but that's an issue for another day. Seems more like the B10 is trying to lock down the larger population areas for cable purposes, rather than maintain educational/research standards.

It just means more. B1G B1G B1G!!!!