Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[BigWoof31]

Im skeptical that they have fallen behind BXII.
Both failed to get conference network figured out.
Both are/have lost their marquee 2 programs, but i daresay PAC with Oregon, Washington, Stanford, ... is in a better place than OkSt, TTech, Kansas duo, and 30 religious schools in Texas.
There's schools worth raiding in PAC, BXII is now Mountain West in Texas.

It would be hilarious to see Boulder go back to a hollowed out BXII.

Agree on all points here.
I'll also add that the BigXII feels like it's a more aspirational league. They want to grow and expand and build something and make a name for themselves. Quite frankly, they certainly have done that in basketball. It's a phenomenal league.

PAC10 just feels content doing what they are doing. They like their league, their format and traditional rivalries. They are very hesitant to change even if it means their games get played after an episode of Gilmore Girls on the WB

 

[Mike80]

I feel like the ones spreading the Big Ten expansion rumors over the last week or so are the Big 12, because they're wetting their collective pants over the idea of the four corners schools joining their conference if the Big Ten blows up the Pac. And the Big Ten doesn't want to be the one to blow up the Pac

I'm also sure Colorado is not jonesing to go back to the conference that they previously ditched for greener pastures...

The Big Ten needs to take pick of the remaining PAC10 litter and say to hell with it.

I'm all about traditional rivalries but the times have changed. The only way to preserve these things are to bring them under the same umbrella.

 

[CincyInterloper]

The Big Ten needs to take pick of the remaining PAC10 litter and say to hell with it.

I'm all about traditional rivalries but the times have changed. The only way to preserve these things are to bring them under the same umbrella.

This. I don't understand the B1G thinking they can - or even wanting to - maintain an appearance of not being responsible for killing off other conferences. Just finish the job.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I feel like the ones spreading the Big Ten expansion rumors over the last week or so are the Big 12, because they're wetting their collective pants over the idea of the four corners schools joining their conference if the Big Ten blows up the Pac. And the Big Ten doesn't want to be the one to blow up the Pac

I'm also sure Colorado is not jonesing to go back to the conference that they previously ditched for greener pastures...

Not at all regarding Colorado. They were waiting for a PAC invite for years. They're much more culturally in step with the PAC schools, and California is (outside of Colorado) both their largest alumni base and largest source of students. If they leave while the PAC is still viable, it will be because they've lost their minds and are letting Deion call the shots.

 

[BuckTwenty]

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Cover 3 Podcast - Minutes 1:57 to 15:20

I thought this was a really interesting conversation about the ACC that I've never heard mentioned before. It is a "what if" scenario, but it could be a way for the ACC schools to get their 2nd-hand toilet paper of a TV contract put out to pasture with a bullet in its head. With that said though, it's a nuclear option...

The ACC blowing up the conference themselves

Apparently, the ACC may be able to get out of their grant of rights if 8 teams leave the conference to start their own conference. Florida State, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina, NC State, Pitt, Virginia Tech, and Louisville were the 8 that they mentioned (and honestly they are the 8 that would make the most sense, because theres no way that Notre Dame is gonna stick around). This would also trim the fat from the ACC, making bigger paydays for the bigger schools that value football

It was also interesting to hear who they felt was the fat to trim, because some included schools that have been talked about as potential additions to the B1G in the past like Virginia, Duke, Georgia Tech, & Boston College (the other 2 schools cut would be Wake Forest & Syracuse). They shit on Wake & BC the most of the 6

One hilariously sad thing that was brought up was that if the ACC contract goes to maturity in 2036, UCF in the Big 12 very well might be making more media rights money than either Florida State and Miami by 2031. There's no way that contract ever goes to maturity as it is, but the ACC lawyers are ultimately going to have to find a way to get out of that media rights contract or the GOR... the sooner, the better

 

[Jaxbuck]

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Cover 3 Podcast - Minutes 1:57 to 15:20

I thought this was a really interesting conversation about the ACC that I've never heard mentioned before. It is a "what if" scenario, but it could be a way for the ACC schools to get their 2nd-hand toilet paper of a TV contract put out to pasture with a bullet in its head. With that said though, it's a nuclear option...

The ACC blowing up the conference themselves

Apparently, the ACC may be able to get out of their grant of rights if 8 teams leave the conference to start their own conference. Florida State, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina, NC State, Pitt, Virginia Tech, and Louisville were the 8 that they mentioned (and honestly they are the 8 that would make the most sense, because theres no way that Notre Dame is gonna stick around). This would also trim the fat from the ACC, making bigger paydays for the bigger schools that value football

It was also interesting to hear who they felt was the fat to trim, because some included schools that have been talked about as potential additions to the B1G in the past like Virginia, Duke, Georgia Tech, & Boston College (the other 2 schools cut would be Wake Forest & Syracuse). They shit on Wake & BC the most of the 6

One hilariously sad thing that was brought up was that if the ACC contract goes to maturity in 2036, UCF in the Big 12 very well might be making more media rights money than either Florida State and Miami by 2031. There's no way that contract ever goes to maturity as it is, but the ACC lawyers are ultimately going to have to find a way to get out of that media rights contract or the GOR... the sooner, the better

And Penn State fans still want to go to the ACC.

 

[knuckifyoubuck]

I don't know how popular the opinion is around here, but as someone who isn't a huge fan of adding Rutgers and Maryland, would be awesome to add FSU in some way for the Florida footprint. Make it contingent on them being in the AAU or whatever it is within 10 years, and give them money and resources for research.

 

[kujirakira]

Not at all regarding Colorado. They were waiting for a PAC invite for years. They're much more culturally in step with the PAC schools, and California is (outside of Colorado) both their largest alumni base and largest source of students. If they leave while the PAC is still viable, it will be because they've lost their minds and are letting Deion call the shots.

CU is very Michigan-esque.
If this Deion thing goes as badly as im hoping it does, i have this fever dream where Boulder just implodes the whole AD. "We're going to take all these FSU dropouts to the FCS so Deion and Ralphy can win".
It will never happen, but i can dream.

 

[kujirakira]

Make it contingent on them being in the AAU or whatever it is within 10 years

Truthfully, Nebraska has a better shot of being readmitted (they're never being readmitted).

I think Georgia is the only school down that way who has a shot of being added.
FSU is arguably better than some AAU members - but they're already in, and it's more likely AAU would boot them than add more "mediocrity".

In the past 20 years they have added GTech, Dartmouth, Boston U, Tufts, UC Santa Cruz, and Utah.
Some of these are possibly within reach of FSU, but i suspect political motivations via PAC and Cal system.
The AAU really seems to have a hardon for the city of Boston as well.
FSU in B1G would have opposite problem. It was Michigan, Illinois, and Wisconsin who went after Nebraska and got them kicked out. I doubt they would be any kinder to a school known as the Criminoles and already not in AAU.

 

[BigWoof31]

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Cover 3 Podcast - Minutes 1:57 to 15:20

I thought this was a really interesting conversation about the ACC that I've never heard mentioned before. It is a "what if" scenario, but it could be a way for the ACC schools to get their 2nd-hand toilet paper of a TV contract put out to pasture with a bullet in its head. With that said though, it's a nuclear option...

The ACC blowing up the conference themselves

Apparently, the ACC may be able to get out of their grant of rights if 8 teams leave the conference to start their own conference. Florida State, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina, NC State, Pitt, Virginia Tech, and Louisville were the 8 that they mentioned (and honestly they are the 8 that would make the most sense, because theres no way that Notre Dame is gonna stick around). This would also trim the fat from the ACC, making bigger paydays for the bigger schools that value football

It was also interesting to hear who they felt was the fat to trim, because some included schools that have been talked about as potential additions to the B1G in the past like Virginia, Duke, Georgia Tech, & Boston College (the other 2 schools cut would be Wake Forest & Syracuse). They shit on Wake & BC the most of the 6

One hilariously sad thing that was brought up was that if the ACC contract goes to maturity in 2036, UCF in the Big 12 very well might be making more media rights money than either Florida State and Miami by 2031. There's no way that contract ever goes to maturity as it is, but the ACC lawyers are ultimately going to have to find a way to get out of that media rights contract or the GOR... the sooner, the better

Would North Carolina drop the Duke basketball rivalry?
Seems like a bit of a reach here

 

[BuckTwenty]

Would North Carolina drop the Duke basketball rivalry?
Seems like a bit of a reach here

You could still play out of conference every year. Like Georgia/Georgia Tech or Clemson/South Carolina

 

[BigWoof31]

I think Georgia is the only school down that way who has a shot of being added.

Grab Florida, because they're already in the Union.
I think we're a ways away. I look at the list of schools and I don't think UGA is close.
No medical school. An engineering school that is in its infancy with low enrollment (relative to incoming class size).

It's not a bad thing, those who follow USNWR rankings usually see UGA as a riser in public school rankings. But we don't have the infrastructure or leadership talent to flesh out the research portion of the university. That could be a decades long process.

 

[BuckTwenty]

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Cover 3 Podcast - Minutes 1:57 to 15:20

I thought this was a really interesting conversation about the ACC that I've never heard mentioned before. It is a "what if" scenario, but it could be a way for the ACC schools to get their 2nd-hand toilet paper of a TV contract put out to pasture with a bullet in its head. With that said though, it's a nuclear option...

The ACC blowing up the conference themselves

Apparently, the ACC may be able to get out of their grant of rights if 8 teams leave the conference to start their own conference. Florida State, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina, NC State, Pitt, Virginia Tech, and Louisville were the 8 that they mentioned (and honestly they are the 8 that would make the most sense, because theres no way that Notre Dame is gonna stick around). This would also trim the fat from the ACC, making bigger paydays for the bigger schools that value football

It was also interesting to hear who they felt was the fat to trim, because some included schools that have been talked about as potential additions to the B1G in the past like Virginia, Duke, Georgia Tech, & Boston College (the other 2 schools cut would be Wake Forest & Syracuse). They shit on Wake & BC the most of the 6

One hilariously sad thing that was brought up was that if the ACC contract goes to maturity in 2036, UCF in the Big 12 very well might be making more media rights money than either Florida State and Miami by 2031. There's no way that contract ever goes to maturity as it is, but the ACC lawyers are ultimately going to have to find a way to get out of that media rights contract or the GOR... the sooner, the better

There's a lot of rumors out there now about the ACC in the last 24 hours. Reportedly, there are 7 schools meeting together with lawyers outside of the ACC meetings going on about how they can get past the ACC GOR

 

[Mike80]

There's a lot of rumors out there now about the ACC in the last 24 hours. Reportedly, there are 7 schools meeting together with lawyers outside of the ACC meetings going on about how they can get past the ACC GOR

Virginia and UNC - come on down!

I do wonder if this is why the Big Ten hasn't pulled the trigger on Oregon and Washington.

 

[Abenaki]

Virginia and UNC - come on down!

I do wonder if this is why the Big Ten hasn't pulled the trigger on Oregon and Washington.

They can take their time with Oregon and Washington. Where are they gonna go? The Big 12? They'll be available if and when the Big Ten comes calling.