Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Oregonbuck]

The B1G wants to be the premier conference in the country in all ways (athletics, academics, ratings, etc). It doesn't get there with Miami, FSU, or even BC. I believe this will go the way its pretty much being reported.

 

[Woody1968]

Yeah, because UVA/UNC really gets the ratings and recruiting talent...
That's a sad expansion if that's what youre proposing, especially with BC(which you shouldn't be making a thing). Expansion is more than just academics, and you're not seeing that. TV ratings and recruiting also matter hence why the last expansion was Rutgers and Maryland. Yes, schools with good academic standing, but they were also in massive TV markets and it allowed us in on more talent. We already have the DMV, so UVA would be pointless. UNC is meh on its on, and BC is a no go. There's little talent in MA yearly, and they are an NFL region anyway. At least Washington offers more than UVA and BC. So does Stanford

UVA and UNC make a lot more sense than some shitty Florida Schools.

 

[pnuts34]

UVA and UNC make a lot more sense than some shitty Florida Schools.

Not really. Especially since those "shitty" schools have talent that we covet in their backyard. There's a fraction of that talent in and around Chapel Hill and Charlottesville. But carry on, I get it, folks are against the B1G adding Miami and Free Shoes so you need to be the most recent person to chime in. But the Miami TV market dwarfs both UVA and UNC.

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

UVA is on par with adding Maryland but without the TV market. Maryland was a reach when the big ten was on fairly even ground with the other power 5 and trying to blow up the BTN revenue. Plus we already have decent recruiting exposure there.

 

[Woody1968]

Not really. Especially since those "shitty" schools have talent that we covet in their backyard. There's a fraction of that talent in and around Chapel Hill and Charlottesville. But carry on, I get it, folks are against the B1G adding Miami and Free Shoes so you need to be the most recent person to chime in. But the Miami TV market dwarfs both UVA and UNC.

Again, there is quite a lot of talent in the tidewater area and UVA and UNC aren't second or third fiddle in their own state. Miami's media market is slightly larger than Charlotte, and that is more than made up for when you add in the other NC markets, Norfolk and Richmond.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

The Presidents are not waving the AAU requirement for anyone other than Notre Dame. It's as simple as that. If the B1G were struggling, unstable and poor, it might think about it. It's none of those things, so FSU/Miami are going to be considered about as much as Jim Tressel was considered for the Ohio State President's job.

 

[ScriptOhio]

UVA and UNC make a lot more sense than some shitty Florida Schools.

Again, there is quite a lot of talent in the tidewater area and UVA and UNC aren't second or third fiddle in their own state. Miami's media market is slightly larger than Charlotte, and that is more than made up for when you add in the other NC markets, Norfolk and Richmond.

After Maryland was added I always thought that UVA and UNC would be good additions to the B1G. The ACC really has a crappy TV deal that goes through 2036. The "grant in rights" clause goes through 2036 too. So unlike the PAC-12 and Big XII, the ACC isn't ready to implode (just yet). Maryland paid the "ACC exit price" and now is way better off (i.e. financially) for it.

 

[Woody1968]

After Maryland was added I always thought that UVA and UNC would be good additions to the B1G. The ACC really has a crappy TV deal that goes through 2036. The "grant in rights" clause goes through 2036 too. So unlike the PAC-12 and Big XII, the ACC isn't ready to implode (just yet). Maryland paid the "ACC exit price" and now is way better off (i.e. financially) for it.

I am pretty sure the endgame will be 24, teams in 4 divisions of 6, which will prob include the no cal teams, Washington and Oregon, and at least 3 teams from the ACC. My guess is that the SEC will eventually expand to 24 as well, and any schools left over will join with the Big 12 or drop FBS football.

 

[cincibuck]

UVA is on par with adding Maryland but without the TV market. Maryland was a reach when the big ten was on fairly even ground with the other power 5 and trying to blow up the BTN revenue. Plus we already have decent recruiting exposure there.

UVA: Charlottesville, is now a DC 'burb and also brings in the Richmond Market down to Williamsburgh, Portsmouth, Norfuck. Plus UVA grads are all over the country, much like Big Ten schools and unlike most ACC/SEC schools.

 

[Oregonbuck]

This is pure speculation on my part so take it in that respect. The B1G just expanded coast to coast, marginalized ESPN to the SE US, and has 3 out of the 4 networks broadcasting its games. My gut tells me the BIG's endgame is not to be an equal with the SEC.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

This is pure speculation on my part so take it in that respect. The B1G just expanded coast to coast, marginalized ESPN to the SE US, and has 3 out of the 4 networks broadcasting its games. My gut tells me the BIG's endgame is not to be an equal with the SEC.

Agree. What the B1G and their media partners realized is that CFB is a regional, not national, sport. So the B1G went into every region. ESPN thinks the SEC has national appeal. But it doesn't. That is why they fail

 

[jwinslow]

Agree. What the B1G and their media partners realized is that CFP is a regional, not national, sport. So the B1G went into every region. ESPN thinks the SEC has national appeal. But it doesn't. That is why they fail

The national region that actually watched the SEC is the one they just lost all access to before the playoffs. Will the just as insane viewership of the Midwest still tune in? Sure, but they won't have lead ins.

Go further down the partisan path Disney, while Fox, NBC and CBS actually get serious about B1G coverage, and let us know how that works out for your advertising.

It won't be long until Fox has a gameday on week 1. And they probably won't keep painfully senile mascots and unwanted singers on the show.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Both conferences are rich. They are just very different culturally.

B1G

SEC

 

[pnuts34]

The Presidents are not waving the AAU requirement for anyone other than Notre Dame. It's as simple as that. If the B1G were struggling, unstable and poor, it might think about it. It's none of those things, so FSU/Miami are going to be considered about as much as Jim Tressel was considered for the Ohio State President's job.

I honestly didn’t realize how important being in the AAU was to the B1G. If that is such a major factor , then you’re right FSU/Miami have 0 chance. And also neither are the big dog in the state, if there really is one in that TBH. 3 rollercoaster programs and the fact that UCF has years where they’re the best should tell you all you need to know

 

[Oregonbuck]

I honestly didn’t realize how important being in the AAU was to the B1G. If that is such a major factor , then you’re right FSU/Miami have 0 chance. And also neither are the big dog in the state, if there really is one in that TBH. 3 rollercoaster programs and the fact that UCF has years where they’re the best should tell you all you need to know

"The B1G operates on a different level than any league. It’s a partnership. The Academic Alliance is $11B/year." If you include USC and UCLA you're looking at $15,658,000,000 research dollars. You add Wash, Stan, Cal, Ore, and ND, you're at $19.5B.

The B1G is going for it all. NBC and CBS are talking about an NFL style Saturday, and FOX is all in with the B1G Network and primary games. The SEC may be rich now, but things will be different when the next network contract is negotiated. The SEC sees what's going on and is already signaling they want the expansions to stop. We'll see.