Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Dryden]

How is that "checkmate"? Does that kill the SEC?
And yeah - Dennis Dodd is a goob.

No. It doesn’t kill the SEC. But if USC and UCLA come into the B1G as full members with a revenue sharing mandate and maybe even a players union, it’s absolutely a kill shot to the PAC-10/12 & Big XII, so effectively cripples any hope of a third super conference from their combined ashes.

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

One thing I don’t get is nbc and cbs are supposed to get 15-16 games per season. There are only 13 weeks in the season. Are they planning on doing 3-5 week 0 games to get them to 14? Then the couple of CCGs bring them to the 14-15, but where are they getting the last one? Will they do 1-2 11:00 games with the Cali schools a year?

 

[BB73]

One thing I don’t get is nbc and cbs are supposed to get 15-16 games per season. There are only 13 weeks in the season. Are they planning on doing 3-5 week 0 games to get them to 14? Then the couple of CCGs bring them to the 14-15, but where are they getting the last one? Will they do 1-2 11:00 games with the Cali schools a year?

They could get an extra game in Week 1, on Sunday or the Monday that’s Labor Day, before the NFL starts. And perhaps an extra game on the Friday after Thanksgiving.

 

[Trevi]

They could get an extra game in Week 1, on Sunday or the Monday that’s Labor Day, before the NFL starts. And perhaps an extra game on the Friday after Thanksgiving.

Also NBC has Peacock for streaming and CBS has CBS Sports Network, their cabled sports network so they both can have additional games.

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

They could get an extra game in Week 1, on Sunday or the Monday that’s Labor Day, before the NFL starts. And perhaps an extra game on the Friday after Thanksgiving.

I think that’s it. I think I read somewhere about a Friday after TG lineup. So 6 conference games will be broadcast that week and 2 on BTN. Pretty cool.

Also NBC has Peacock for streaming and CBS has CBS Sports Network, their cabled sports network so they both can have additional games.

peacock is doing simulcast of all their nbc games, and they bought I think 4 games a season but that doesn’t count toward the nbc 15-16 count. And that is just taking games that would have been on fs1 or BTN those weeks.

 

[MaxBuck]

Fuck it. B1G goes after Bama and LSU. Game fucking over.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Fuck it. B1G goes after Bama and LSU. Game fucking over.

Gross

 

[BuckTwenty]

FiveThirtyEight (free) - "Where Should The Big Ten Expand Next? We Crunched The Numbers"

Really interesting breakdown of all expansion candidates (plus many more) and how they stack up to current B1G schools in athletic excellence, best fit, and biggest markets

There's a bit I don't agree with, but I do agree with the author that the 10 schools that make up the top 3 tiers would add the most to the Big Ten

Likewise, I agree with the author that anyone in tiers 4-6 would not add enough to the B1G to warrant entry to the conference. This would include some teams like Virginia, Colorado, Georgia Tech, Duke, Virginia Tech, Boston College, or anyone in the future Big 12, amongst others

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

FiveThirtyEight (free) - "Where Should The Big Ten Expand Next? We Crunched The Numbers"

Really interesting breakdown of all expansion candidates (plus many more) and how they stack up to current B1G schools in athletic excellence, best fit, and biggest markets

There's a bit I don't agree with, but I do agree with the author that the 10 schools that make up the top 3 tiers would add the most to the Big Ten

Likewise, I agree with the author that anyone in tiers 4-6 would not add enough to the B1G to warrant entry to the conference. This would include some teams like Virginia, Colorado, Georgia Tech, Duke, Virginia Tech, Boston College, or anyone in the future Big 12, amongst others

I enjoyed the article and had a couple of takeaways.

Surprised me how actually close Oregon, Washington, FSU and UNC are to domers. In reality they aren’t, as the media market ($$$) portion should be weighted at 3x everything else.

Really surprised me how they had fsu in there and so far above Miami. I’d consider them fairly equal, with Miami having a bigger name. I guess being in Florida I see a huge and rabid FSU fan base, almost as large as UF. I see as many Miami fans in other parts of the country as I do in Tampa. But wow fsu academics and research is garbage. Their research spending is a fraction of UF and sits below USF most years.

I like the weight on states with already large and growing populations. Gives more emphasis to Florida and Texas and gives extra boost to UNC.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Surprised me how actually close Oregon, Washington, FSU and UNC are to domers. In reality they aren’t, as the media market ($$$) portion should be weighted at 3x everything else.

In Nate Silver's fantasy world, those schools are close to the Domers. In reality, they are not close at all. Florida State has a 0% chance of earning a Big Ten invite, and Oregon's chances probably aren't too much better (unless they improve their academics significantly). Washington and UNC both add real value in terms of markets (Seattle and Charlotte), academics, and athletics, so I could see them getting a look, but they certainly aren't the "home runs" that USC and UCLA were.

 

[pnuts34]

In Nate Silver's fantasy world, those schools are close to the Domers. In reality, they are not close at all. Florida State has a 0% chance of earning a Big Ten invite, and Oregon's chances probably aren't too much better (unless they improve their academics significantly). Washington and UNC both add real value in terms of markets (Seattle and Charlotte), academics, and athletics, so I could see them getting a look, but they certainly aren't the "home runs" that USC and UCLA were.

Though I agree, the only thing is, don't you think the B1G wants a footprint in FL? Free Shoes or Miami does that. Oregon has nothing but Nike, and yes that 's an enormous name, that's still not the actual student body. I can see the B1G expanding into the south east more instead of the Pacific NW. Teams in NC, GA and FL would be a much bigger deal revenue wise.

 

[Abenaki]

Though I agree, the only thing is, don't you think the B1G wants a footprint in FL? Free Shoes or Miami does that. Oregon has nothing but Nike, and yes that 's an enormous name, that's still not the actual student body. I can see the B1G expanding into the south east more instead of the Pacific NW. Teams in NC, GA and FL would be a much bigger deal revenue wise.

I'm with you. I think the B1G will want in Georgia, easy with Georgia Tech, and Florida. If they have to be a little flexible getting into Florida, they will be. Miami and Florida State make more sense than Oregon.

The B1G can monopolize the California market (and arguably has already). They're not going to leave the entirety of Texas and the entirety of Florida to the SEC.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

There are plenty of places in Florida where you have to go north to go south. Really it's a question of how tight a choke hold the B1G wants to try this round.

It's already 3/4 of the US against a region stretching from Texas to Gainesville to Lexington KY and Norman Oklahoma

 

[pnuts34]

There are plenty of places in Florida where you have to go north to go south. Really it's a question of how tight a choke hold the B1G wants to try this round.

It's already 3/4 of the US against a region stretching from Texas to Gainesville to Lexington KY and Norman Oklahoma

I think most of the states are up for grabs. The SEC could care less for further expansion after OU and UT, and they shouldn't. Until the B1G can show that they can compete yearly, why would the SEC care about adding more teams? And they already have their TV network in ESPN, while the B1G has Fox, its essentially turning into a AFC/NFC style, but more regionally. B1G should keep pursuing the big markets they don't already have, and Oregon doesn't fit that, let them stay in the Pac 12. And ND has no interest in joining any league, so let them stay independent, ND is nothing more than a name, not even a recruiting foot hold, much similar to Oregon. Give me more access to the talent in and around Atlanta, in and around central NC and south or north FL(though I'd prefer South).

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I think most of the states are up for grabs. The SEC could care less for further expansion after OU and UT, and they shouldn't. Until the B1G can show that they can compete yearly, why would the SEC care about adding more teams? And they already have their TV network in ESPN, while the B1G has Fox, its essentially turning into a AFC/NFC style, but more regionally. B1G should keep pursuing the big markets they don't already have, and Oregon doesn't fit that, let them stay in the Pac 12. And ND has no interest in joining any league, so let them stay independent, ND is nothing more than a name, not even a recruiting foot hold, much similar to Oregon. Give me more access to the talent in and around Atlanta, in and around central NC and south or north FL(though I'd prefer South).

I've been on record that this is always about tv sets. When the B1G added DC and NYC I was not worried about the football associated with those markets.

The overall plan employed by the B1G is starting to show that the long game was a good play