Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Woody1968]

If I'm a Domer arguing the case, I'd go with this: "We're the only team in college football that can bring the Philly to Boston corridor to the table, and we outdraw Northwestern, Illinois, and Purdue for the Chicago market." That can be argued by the Big Ten, but I think it has some validity.

LOL, nobody cares about Notre Dame in the Northeast.

 

[jwinslow]

All the data I've seen has them between 4th and 9th depending on the year for overall total tv viewership. Last year, they had 1 game in the top 10. If their reach is so wide, then numerically it can't be very deep in those markets. $75M for 7 home games, no road games, no conference championship game and no basketball is literally an insane ask, and with Dick Ebersol long gone, I'd bet that NBC is laughing in their faces.

And FWIW, their road games at USC should be 10PM EST games on the BTN. We should be done playing games with these fucks and just get down to the scorched earth phase, which means that no B1G school other than USC should ever schedule them in anything.

The people watching them are many of the same people watching BTN. There's no massive unique market share they'd deliver. They are a quality add on but nowhere near as special as they imagine themselves to be.


if they did this before usc/UCLA left and joined the PAC, that would be another story.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

Never underestimate the arrogance and self-reverence that the kiddie diddlers who run that place have for themselves. What seems outlandish to a rationale outsider, seems perfectly reasonable to the domers, and I'm sure they were sincerely shocked when Warren told them to go fuck themselves.

I went down the rabbit hole of a Dennis Dodd Tweet about ND and wooo boy are those fans out of their minds with how important they think they are. The best was seeing Juggaloes clamoring about getting ND in the Big 12. Everyone is dieing to see ND @ UC.

 

[CincyInterloper]

All the data I've seen has them between 4th and 9th depending on the year for overall total tv viewership. Last year, they had 1 game in the top 10. If their reach is so wide, then numerically it can't be very deep in those markets. $75M for 7 home games, no road games, no conference championship game and no basketball is literally an insane ask, and with Dick Ebersol long gone, I'd bet that NBC is laughing in their faces.

And FWIW, their road games at USC should be 10PM EST games on the BTN. We should be done playing games with these fucks and just get down to the scorched earth phase, which means that no B1G school other than USC should ever schedule them in anything.

I wonder how much ND’s ratings depend on their ability to cherrypick opponents as an independent. They are pushing this idea that everyone is tuning in to see ND, but let them spend a season playing AAC and MAC teams and see how those ratings hold up. I think ND needs the B1G a lot more than the B1G needs ND.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

They aren't looking to join the Big 12, they are looking to see if NBC will offer them $75 million per year, if NBC can also show Big 12 games, in which case they will remain independent. Right now, the offer of B1G membership is about 80 million. I think this Big 12 ploy only has a slight possibility of working if the Big 12 and Pac 12 merge.

Exactly, they're using the B12 like their personal gimp to milk their fantasy deal from NBC. And like all "partners" of Notre Dame, the B12 will almost certainly end up getting the short end of the stick.

 

[CincyInterloper]

And the award for highest ratings in 2021 goes to... OSU v. TSUN. The top five were B1G and SEC matchups. Highest ranked ND game was against FSU at number 10.

https://fightingirishwire.usatoday....msu-ohio-state-cfp-georgia-dawgs-tide-auburn/

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I went down the rabbit hole of a Dennis Dodd Tweet about ND and wooo boy are those fans out of their minds with how important they think they are. The best was seeing Juggaloes clamoring about getting ND in the Big 12. Everyone is dieing to see ND @ UC.

Makes sense since 90% of the juggalo fan and alumni base are Notre Dame fans when Cincy sucks.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

Chicago isn't what it once was regarding ND. All the grandchildren and great grandchildren of the subway domer Poles, Italians and Micks have developed college allegiances distinct from their Catholicism, or they just focus on the NFL these days. The current Catholic wave of immigrants (Latin American and Polish) follow soccer.

Wasn’t talking about them. The LATMs and Pols aren’t drunk by the 2:30 start. It’s the Irish Catholics who are the drunks. Duh.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

Wasn’t talking about them. The LATMs and Pols aren’t drunk by the 2:30 start. It’s the Irish Catholics who are the drunks. Duh.

Having lived in Warsaw and Poznan, Poland I beg to differ.

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

This tells me that Warren told them to shove their special treatment demands up their ass. Now, they're hitting the road and going from conference to conference to see who is weak enough for them to exploit. And how do you think the ACC feels right now?

As I read the article it seems Notre Dame is making a last ditch effort to find a way not to join the big ten. Big Ten media deal must be $80M+ per school, and likely higher. The domers have decided how much less they are willing to take to remain independent and are trying to get that directly from NBC. The question is how much money is NBC willing to lose to air 7 games per year.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

As I read the article it seems Notre Dame is making a last ditch effort to find a way not to join the big ten. Big Ten media deal must be $80M+ per school, and likely higher. The domers have decided how much less they are willing to take to remain independent and are trying to get that directly from NBC. The question is how much money is NBC willing to lose to air 7 games per year.

Agree. They're floating out a desperation number after the B1G told them to go get their fucking shinebox. They're preying (as parasites are prone to do) on the weakest P5 to be some kind of tagalong to NBC to get the deal that benefits only them. If NBC has the testicular fortitude to call their bluff...

...this will all be over soon.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

 

[woofermazing]

The people watching them are many of the same people watching BTN. There's no massive unique market share they'd deliver. They are a quality add on but nowhere near as special as they imagine themselves to be.

if they did this before usc/UCLA left and joined the PAC, that would be another story.

It's not only markets, big games matter. College football has a big game problem, where most Saturdays don't have many interesting matchups. Notre Dame playing anyone in the upper half of the Big Ten would be appointment viewing, and be hyped up all week by networks. Next season they have...maybe 3 games that might be interesting and 2 are now Big Ten anyways.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

Having lived in Warsaw and Poznan, Poland I beg to differ.

But they are like seven hours ahead of a 2:30 central start… I’d expect it.

 

[Abenaki]

Agree. They're floating out a desperation number after the B1G told them to go get their fucking shinebox. They're preying (as parasites are prone to do) on the weakest P5 to be some kind of tagalong to NBC to get the deal that benefits only them. If NBC has the testicular fortitude to call their bluff...

...this will all be over soon.

If the Notre Dame really wants to play that game, tell them to go play with the Big 12 and ACC...we're taking Stanford and Cal anyway just because fuck you and, whoops, now we dont have room on the schedule for you. Now Ohio State and Michigan are playing regular games from California to the Mid-Atlantic, Notre Dame is now confined to the plains and southeast... they've become their worst nightmare, a regional program.