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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

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Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%

  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%

  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%

  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%

  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%

  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%

  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%

  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%

  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%

  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%

  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%

  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%

  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%

  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%

  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%

  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%

  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%

  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%

  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%

  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%
  • Total voters
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At this point there aren't many schools left out there that could add revenue to the league long term. Kansas and Oklahoma would, but they will be packaged with their state schools. Texas will have a whole slew of tagalongs. Notre Dame is the only other viable candidate in my mind, and their ACC agreement ties them down until 2027.

We are in amazing position right now. Our tier 1 rights go on the open market at the end of next years basketball season, the last sports property to become available this decade. Nebraska already paid for itself with the fat championship game contract. Rutgers and Maryland have delivered their respective markets to BTN. Unless any of those four schools are available without strings, or home run acc schools become available, we can't put the conference in any better position.
 
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woofermazing said:
At this point there aren't many schools left out there that could add revenue to the league long term. Kansas and Oklahoma would, but they will be packaged with their state schools. Texas will have a whole slew of tagalongs. Notre Dame is the only other viable candidate in my mind, and their ACC agreement ties them down until 2027.

We are in amazing position right now. Our tier 1 rights go on the open market at the end of next years basketball season, the last sports property to become available this decade. Nebraska already paid for itself with the fat championship game contract. Rutgers and Maryland have delivered their respective markets to BTN. Unless any of those four schools are available without strings, or home run acc schools become available, we can't put the conference in any better position.
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We're only taking 2, not 4. So if OU and Kansas can't part with little sisters, then... have fun. Not keen on either of those anyway. OU's history makes UNC's recent issues seem minor and their academics are even worse than Nebraska. Not interested in letting Nebraska be a precedent. And Kansas... do we need yet another basketball school that blows chunks at football in the West division? I think the conference is fine as far as basketball is concerned.

Anyway it's probably not happening for another tv cycle. I don't think Big will be the ones firing off the next set of dominos.
The likes of UNC, UVA, Duke, GTech don't exactly "wow" at first impression -- but like Rutgers and Maryland they could fit culturally and deliver a pretty big market as well large and active/supportive alumni bases. Pitt is another one but doesn't add much market wise (already have PSU unfortunately). BC isn't a cultural fit for the same reasons as ND.
Notre Dame's opportunity passed a long time ago. Not only are they not a cultural fit, but despite their large bandwagon - they can't deliver a new geographical region for recruiting or coverage. We already have 2 shitty teams in the state of Indiana. And they'd be nothing but a parasite anyways... no way they give up their NBC contract.

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OK, were taking a long look here. At sixteen teams - possibly not that far off - won't conferences have to do more in-house scheduling? i.e. good bye MAC schools from all those Big Ten paydays. Good bye Louisianan South-by-Northwest, Middle Tennessee Central, and Florida Coastal Backwaters Tech games for the SEC.

I would also guess that it's going to all but end out-of-conference games among the P5 - ie good bye Stanford and USC in the same year for Notre Dame, good bye SEC - Big Ten "neutral site" (aka Jerry's World) games.
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Perhaps it'll go to 10 eventually but it'll start with the same 9-game schedule that everyones going to. 7 division, 2 cross-division. You'll play every team in the other division twice every 7 years... which is why I say at that point it's more like Division=Conference, and Cross-Conference=Scheduling Agreement
Plus 10 starts to be a lot of conference games providing very very little opportunity to bring in those additional home games and spice it up out-of-conference with big name opponents. That only offers 1 home-and-away and 1 Mid-Major for the payday home game... so 7 home games every other year. Neither P5 nor Mid Major schools are going to like that.
 
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Woody1968 said:
No Texas, Please.
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Absolutely. They would be a complete cancer to everything the Big Ten has built up over the last century. Let them wander the wilderness as a fucking independent.

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With the addition of Rutgers (read: the New York market) I agree that the Domers have fucked themselves. Before moving on, let me just say, I don't believe Rutgers delivered NYC because they're Rutgers fans, but they are the "local team" and thus the BTN is there now - Frankly I think there are probably more OSU fans in NYC.... Consequently, and because ND got some sweetheart deal with the ACC, I'd say keep OU and Kansas out, blow up the ACC. We take UNC, UVA or GT (the real coup, I think, considering the Atlanta market) let the SEC move in on Free Shoes and Clemson. That leaves ND royally fucked due to institutional arrogance and the lack of foresight. Then, they can go off to the Big XII and we can watch those dicks (meaning Tejas) swing at each other whilst the likes of Oklahoma and West Virginia wonder "What the fuck happened?"
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
With the addition of Rutgers (read: the New York market) I agree that the Domers have fucked themselves. Before moving on, let me just say, I don't believe Rutgers delivered NYC because they're Rutgers fans, but they are the "local team" and thus the BTN is there now - Frankly I think there are probably more OSU fans in NYC.... Consequently, and because ND got some sweetheart deal with the ACC, I'd say keep OU and Kansas out, blow up the ACC. We take UNC, UVA or GT (the real coup, I think, considering the Atlanta market) let the SEC move in on Free Shoes and Clemson. That leaves ND royally fucked due to institutional arrogance and the lack of foresight. Then, they can go off to the Big XII and we can watch those dicks (meaning Tejas) swing at each other whilst the likes of Oklahoma and West Virginia wonder "What the fuck happened?"
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Yeah, Rutgers has a fairly large alumni base here in NYC, but most of them could give two shits about Rutgers sports. That could change if Rutgers maintains some level of success, but we will see. Definitely more Ohio State/scUM/Ped State Fans than Rutgers Fans, though.
 
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woofermazing said:
Man, looking over notre dame ratings, they aren't nearly as impressive as I had assumed. They get good numbers when they play against a large fanbase, but they themselves don't draw eyeballs. Indy doesn't even care about them unless it's a big match up.
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My Catholic in-laws only really turn ND football on when they are playing USC or TTUN. They don't really give a crap about the BC, NC State, etc games. I may have had a hand in keeping that channel on a different team starting about 8 years ago. There is one hold out and he is my 11 year old nephew that wears Bama gear during football (has aunt and uncle that went to Auburn. Progression was Florida (UFM), Auburn (Cam), now Bama. And he wears Duke gear when Bball season starts even though Cincinnati is in the middle of a shit ton of Bball schools.
 
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Based on comments from Boren, it appears that Oklahoma moving to the B1G west is a real possibility. Having Oklahoma and Nebraska in the west is a compelling combination, and could turn the B1G Championship game into a virtual bowl game. But realistically, who could we add to the east? Virginia would be great, but would they leave the ACC? Virginia Tech might be more realistic.
 
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CincyInterloper said:
Based on comments from Boren, it appears that Oklahoma moving to the B1G west is a real possibility. Having Oklahoma and Nebraska in the west is a compelling combination, and could turn the B1G Championship game into a virtual bowl game. But realistically, who could we add to the east? Virginia would be great, but would they leave the ACC? Virginia Tech might be more realistic.
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Texas and OU to the west. Move Purdue to the east where they belong anyway with Indiana.
 
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CincyInterloper said:
Based on comments from Boren, it appears that Oklahoma moving to the B1G west is a real possibility. Having Oklahoma and Nebraska in the west is a compelling combination, and could turn the B1G Championship game into a virtual bowl game. But realistically, who could we add to the east? Virginia would be great, but would they leave the ACC? Virginia Tech might be more realistic.
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If we make a huge academic compromise with OU, we absolutely would need to balance that with UVA or UNC. And fuck Texas for all the reasons stated above by myself and others. Not only would they be a complete cancer on internal politics, but I think they really are just arrogant and delusional enough to try and go independent. I want a front row seat for that train wreck!

edit: Just read through Boren's comments. Anyone else get the feeling that, while he won't speak it, he wants to get the fuck away from Texas at all costs. I'm sure he and the Disney execs can commiserate on that one.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
I think they really are just arrogant and delusional enough to try and go independent. I want a front row seat for that train wreck!
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Ouuuuuuuuu. Then, the first week of December they could play the Independent's Conference Championship Game against Notre Dame with the winner getting the automatic #1 seed in the CFP and the other getting the #3.

Oh and yes, I don't want a damn thing to do with Texas.
 
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