Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[BuckeyeNation27]

If they win their conference, playoff games, then title game they deserved it. Unlike now, where they're voted in.

If they win a series of playoff games against other crappy schools they deserve a BCS bid?

 

[Mrstickball]

Teams like Ohio U, Troy, East Carolina, and Colorado State have no business playing for a national championship, regardless of which mid-minor conference they are playing in. Merging two crappy conferences increases quantity, not quality. I don't mind an eight-team playoff, but let's leave the children out of the equation.

Kind of like how Boise State, TCU, and BYU shouldn't have a shot at a national championship either, right?

What about March Madness? Do you think we should whittle it down from ~68 teams to 8, since we already know which teams are obviously the best? I thought the whole idea of football is that any team has a chance - even if small - to beat the other on any given Saturday?

I say let the mid-majors fight amongst themselves and get one shot at an at-large in a tournament. If they can do it, they're in. Whittle down the 50-60 mid majors to 1 and let them fight for their chance. Other wise, we're going to get a system that has members of the same four conferences playing each other for the rest of eternity. With inviting the mid majors to one or at most two spots invites some modicum of competitiveness and thrill into the process.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

If they win a series of playoff games against other crappy schools they deserve a BCS bid?

An 8-team playoff would be void of any crappy teams.

 

[Mrstickball]

If they win a series of playoff games against other crappy schools they deserve a BCS bid?

What did TCU deserve going unbeaten and defeating the best Big Ten team last year?

 

[BUCKYLE]

I say let the mid-majors fight amongst themselves and get one shot at an at-large in a tournament. If they can do it, they're in. Whittle down the 50-60 mid majors to 1 and let them fight for their chance. Other wise, we're going to get a system that has members of the same four conferences playing each other for the rest of eternity. With inviting the mid majors to one or at most two spots invites some modicum of competitiveness and thrill into the process.

Then tOSU should join the MAC. That way, there's no fuckin' Wisconsin, MSU, Nebraska or whatever B1G team is up that year standing in the way of a bid. The fact that a team can beat a whole fucking schedule full of teams tOSU gets blasted for scheduling and possibly win a NC is bullshit.

 

[BUCKYLE]

What did TCU deserve going unbeaten and defeating the best Big Ten team last year?

They didn't beat the best B1G team last year. They beat one of three of the best. Good thing they didn't have to play either of the other two co-champs or they wouldn't have made the Rose Bowl to begin with.

 

[Mrstickball]

Then tOSU should join the MAC. That way, there's no [censored]in' Wisconsin, MSU, Nebraska or whatever B1G team is up that year standing in the way of a bid. The fact that a team can beat a whole [censored]ing schedule full of teams tOSU gets blasted for scheduling and possibly win a NC is bull[Mark May].

So what is the alternative for teams that miss out on the super conference re-alignment?

Can you tell me that you honestly believe that once we go to four, 16-team conferences that there will never, ever be another team outside of those 64 that will ever, ever, deserve a shot at playing in the tournament?

Because that is exactly the system that will be created. Once re-alignment is over, a lot of teams in current BCS conferences are going to get left out - Baylor, Texas Tech, Iowa State, Cinci, Louisville, and so on. I think that these teams deserve a shot to play for a championship. They deserve a much tougher road due to weakness of schedule, but I believe that they deserve a shot. It would be far more fair than what we have now, where the championship is essentially the SEC vs. Runner Up

 

[Mrstickball]

They didn't beat the best B1G team last year. They beat one of three of the best. Good thing they didn't have to play either of the other two co-champs or they wouldn't have made the Rose Bowl to begin with.

Last I checked, the Rose Bowl was reserved for the best Big Ten team unless the national championship was being played there, or the best Big Ten team was going for the title at another venue.

Or is the selection process vastly different than what my understanding is?

 

[sepia5]

Last I checked, the Rose Bowl was reserved for the best Big Ten team unless the national championship was being played there, or the best Big Ten team was going for the title at another venue.

Or is the selection process vastly different than what my understanding is?

His point is that TCU may have been able to beat Wisky once they got to the Rose Bowl last year, but, had they actually been in the Big Ten and been required to play a full Big Ten slate that included the likes of Ohio State and Michigan State, they likely wouldn't have been going to a BCS bowl to begin with.

 

[Wingate1217]

A post here from tigerdroppings.com from some LSU fans that were at the game. Many comments agreed. The fan base doesn't seem to match up to the SEC.

More thoughts on WVU/Morgantown/this weekend

From a post at triggerdroppings

Secondly, we knew we weren?t in any civilized SEC city anymore when as soon as we got out of the car......

Sounds like an oxymoron to me......

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

An 8-team playoff would be void of any crappy teams.

I was thinking the playoff was between all 24 of the mid majors.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Postseason should apply to everyone in this subdivision.

Disagree - see below.

If it doesn't, there needs to be a new subdivision.

Agree - there's no reason why New Mexico State and Alabama should be in the same subdivision.

 

[BB73]

Last I checked, the Rose Bowl was reserved for the best Big Ten team unless the national championship was being played there, or the best Big Ten team was going for the title at another venue.

Or is the selection process vastly different than what my understanding is?

I would classify your understanding of the selection process as incomplete. The separate BCS Title Game in Pasadena (as occurred after the 2009 season when Bama-Texas was the TItle game) allows the actual Rose Bowl to still have the B1G and Pac Ten champions (tOSU-Oregon after the 2009 season) even when the Title game is in Pasadena.

When the Rose Bowl lost a B1G/Pac Champion to the Title Game, under the current agreement covering the 2010-thru-2013 seasons, they were not allowed to choose a replacement team in the same manner as the other bowls. They had to select the highest BCS-ranked non-AQ once in the current 4-year rotation when losing a B1G/Pac Champion, a requirement they satisfied by taking TCU last year. That allows them to not be forced to select a team such as Boise State if they 'lose' another B1G/Pac Champion to the BCS Title game in the 2011-12-13 seasons.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Kind of like how Boise State, TCU, and BYU shouldn't have a shot at a national championship either, right?

Exactly. If they want a shot at the NC, then they should join a real conference ... and leave the rest of their crappy conference mates behind. The problem isn't the few great mid-minor teams (BSU, TYU, TCU), but the dozens of crappy ones who clearly don't belong and never will.

 

[Dryden]

Postseason should apply to everyone in this subdivision. If it doesn't, there needs to be a new subdivision.

There is a subdivision for them, it's called FCS.

Let's be honest here, the only reason half of those teams moved up to FBS/1A is for the infrequent ESPN2 appearance on a Friday night and the payday from leeching off the equity ~40 other schools spent a gazillion dollars on for over 100+ years. Half the schools that aren't in BCS conferences now were 1AA schools when the Bowl Coalition was originally formed.

Go pay your dues before you ask for a seat at the head of the table.