Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[cincibuck]

Then tOSU should join the MAC. That way, there's no fuckin' Wisconsin, MSU, Nebraska or whatever B1G team is up that year standing in the way of a bid. The fact that a team can beat a whole fucking schedule full of teams tOSU gets blasted for scheduling and possibly win a NC is bullshit.

Exactly why, if I were WVU's AD, I'd want nothing to do with the SEC. I'd be looking for some way to pull Syracuse and Pitt back in and grab as much NY TV market share as they can. There has to be something more than making money. Putting yourself in a conference where your teams will constantly be outmanned doesn't make complete sense to me. Who wants to be Vandy or Texas Tech? Opps forgot, Baylor does.

I feel some sympathy for tweeners like WVU, Vandy, Indiana, Kansas. It's either lose out on the money and have a shot at a great season (in perspective) or go for the money and get your brains bashed in each fall.

The Big East played footsie with ND when they should have put the gun to the Irish forehead, "You sign on for football or else." If they had I'm sure they'd still have Syracuse and Pitt in the fold and ND would have an unlimited ticket to the BCS, even in years where they're really crappy.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

I was thinking the playoff was between all 24 of the mid majors.

Gotcha.

I'm sure you wouldn't care either way, as long as Penn State is left out.

 

[jlb1705]

Gotcha.

I'm sure you wouldn't care either way, as long as Penn State is left out.

There's no reason not to let Penn State compete with the other mid-majors.

 

[Gatorubet]

From a post at triggerdroppings

Secondly, we knew we weren?t in any civilized SEC city anymore when as soon as we got out of the car......

Sounds like an oxymoron to me......

Doug, we have drive through Daiquiri shops. Is there anything more civilized that that? :p

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Im all for a D1a cutoff at 64 teams for football, and have said so for a long time now...

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

Hmmm...this is interesting:

Southeastern Conference commissioner Mike Slive expects the BCS executive director to ask the commissioners to consider lifting the two-team per conference limit in the Bowl Championship Series.

Slive and Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin spoke on a conference call with reporters Tuesday about the Aggies' move to the SEC. Slive was asked about the possibility of the BCS changing its rules to allow more than two teams from a conference to play in the five most lucrative bowl games in a year.

E!SPiN link

 

[scarletmike]

So now they want to take the top 5 SEC teams, one for each bowl? Fuck that shit.

 

[DallasHusker]

I feel some sympathy for tweeners like WVU, Vandy, Indiana, Kansas. It's either lose out on the money and have a shot at a great season (in perspective) or go for the money and get your brains bashed in each fall.

Do you even qualify as a "tweener" when you just lost to North Texas of the Sun Belt conference (who hasn't won more than three games in the last 6 seasons and hasn't beaten a BCS team (Baylor) since 2003?

 

[Nutriaitch]

So now they want to take the top 5 SEC WEST teams, one for each bowl? Fuck that shit.

fify

 

[ScriptOhio]

I can't believe that any conference would want to take WVU over Missouri.

A post here from tigerdroppings.com from some LSU fans that were at the game. Many comments agreed. The fan base doesn't seem to match up to the SEC.

More thoughts on WVU/Morgantown/this weekend

20. After experiencing the WVU fan base, I have no urge to return to the campus of WVU and would be against playing them again OOC or welcoming them into the SEC.

Somehow I have visions here of the WVU fan base resembling a "casting call for extras for the movie Deliverance".

 

[Mrstickball]

Exactly. If they want a shot at the NC, then they should join a real conference ... and leave the rest of their crappy conference mates behind. The problem isn't the few great mid-minor teams (BSU, TYU, TCU), but the dozens of crappy ones who clearly don't belong and never will.

And again...

What happens when the 4, 16-team conferences are solidified? What happens when a new team becomes a TCU, BYU or Boise that does very good in their non-super conference? Do they simply get left out of the picture forever?

That is my problem once the re-alignment dust settles. We will have 4 super conferences that will hold a monopoly on who gets into the tournament. Therefore, if a team is not one of the favored 64, they will never have a shot at the tournament, much less the championship.

Unless your in favor of allowing conferences to continually add members. Then we'll have 24+ team super conferences.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

And again...

What happens when the 4, 16-team conferences are solidified? What happens when a new team becomes a TCU, BYU or Boise that does very good in their non-super conference? Do they simply get left out of the picture forever?

That is my problem once the re-alignment dust settles. We will have 4 super conferences that will hold a monopoly on who gets into the tournament. Therefore, if a team is not one of the favored 64, they will never have a shot at the tournament, much less the championship.

And again...

Tough shit. If you want to shed a tear because Florida International, Louisiana-Lafayette, Fresno State, Southern Miss, and Temple will never get a shot at a national championship, then be my guest.

As far as BSU, BYU, TCU, and the other cream of the crap is concerned, if they can't find their way into the "favored 64", then it's their own damned fault. They've known for years that becoming part of a major conference is the only way to get into the NC picture. And if no major conference wants them, then go independent and play a semi-respectable schedule like Notre Dame. Do something to show that you belong. Don't play one BCS team a year when every team in every major conference is playing eight, or nine, or ten.

Maybe the mid-minors can hold their own championship game, kind of like the NIT, so the winner can crow about being the 65th-best team in the country.

 

[Muck]

And again...

Tough shit. If you want to shed a tear because Florida International, Louisiana-Lafayette, Fresno State, Southern Miss, and Temple will never get a shot at a national championship, then be my guest.

As far as BSU, BYU, TCU, and the other cream of the crap is concerned, if they can't find their way into the "favored 64", then it's their own damned fault. They've known for years that becoming part of a major conference is the only way to get into the NC picture. And if no major conference wants them, then go independent and play a semi-respectable schedule like Notre Dame. Do something to show that you belong. Don't play one BCS team a year when every team in every major conference is playing eight, or nine, or ten.

Maybe the mid-minors can hold their own championship game, kind of like the NIT, so the winner can crow about being the 65th-best team in the country.

 

[cincibuck]

And again...

Tough shit. If you want to shed a tear because Florida International, Louisiana-Lafayette, Fresno State, Southern Miss, and Temple will never get a shot at a national championship, then be my guest.

As far as BSU, BYU, TCU, and the other cream of the crap is concerned, if they can't find their way into the "favored 64", then it's their own damned fault. They've known for years that becoming part of a major conference is the only way to get into the NC picture. And if no major conference wants them, then go independent and play a semi-respectable schedule like Notre Dame. Do something to show that you belong. Don't play one BCS team a year when every team in every major conference is playing eight, or nine, or ten.

Maybe the mid-minors can hold their own championship game, kind of like the NIT, so the winner can crow about being the 65th-best team in the country.

I'm not really opposed to much of what you are saying here, but let's also admit that many of the "blessed 64" are grandfathered in. In a league of Indiana, Duke, Vandy, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Wazoo, Oregon State, Ole Miss, Northwestern, Boise State and TCU; The Game would often come down to TCU and Boise State.

I also understand that TCU and Boise State aren't going to hold up playing Tennessee's schedule... but neither is Tennessee, or Georgia, or Mississippi State, or Ol' Miss, or Michigan State, or Illinois, or Purdue, or Minnesota, or anybody but pre-sanctions USC in the PAC 12.

The fact is that teams that regularly end the season in the top 25 represent programs where money, facilities, history and fan support are of such an advantage that they are rarely going into a season in which they face more than three games against competition of equal capabilities.

 

[Buckeye86]

I'm not really opposed to much of what you are saying here, but let's also admit that many of the "blessed 64" are grandfathered in. In a league of Indiana, Duke, Vandy, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Wazoo, Oregon State, Ole Miss, Northwestern, Boise State and TCU; The Game would often come down to TCU and Boise State.

That conclusion is far from certain. If Indiana played Boise's schedule every year they would be significantly over .500 historically and a much more attractive destination for players rather than getting the shit kicked out of them in the Big Ten for a century and being a football backwater.

The worst of the worst all-crap team of the BCS conferences would be a significant step up in competition for trucker U. You also have to wonder how Boise would do on the recruiting front with conference mandated academic standards a bit higher than a local community college.

Bottom line, fuck Boise State. Why not put Juno, Alaska's local community college into a BCS conference? It would be about the same thing minus a 15 years of relative success on the football field.