Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[cincibuck]

That conclusion is far from certain. If Indiana played Boise's schedule every year they would be significantly over .500 historically and a much more attractive destination for players rather than getting the shit kicked out of them in the Big Ten for a century and being a football backwater.

The worst of the worst all-crap team of the BCS conferences would be a significant step up in competition for trucker U. You also have to wonder how Boise would do on the recruiting front with conference mandated academic standards a bit higher than a local community college.

Bottom line, fuck Boise State. Why not put Juno, Alaska's local community college into a BCS conference? It would be about the same thing minus a 15 years of relative success on the football field.

Well, sure, Juno JuCo, but that's because it doesn't exist. But University of Alaska Southeast does exist and has a kick ass salmon fishing team. http://www.uas.alaska.edu/ or was that Cicely, Alaska High School?

The point is that you're going to give that much money making potential to some set number of teams and deny it to all others. If so, then that list of 64 should contain a way in which those who are anointed can vary from year to year. When Indiana loses to Northsouthwestern Texas A&M Tech they shouldn't be eligible for the Rose Bowl auto bid - realistically, not much of a threat, but technically that's still a possibility. Oh, and remember that Wisconsin had a month to get ready for TCU. Maybe they forgot to circle the game.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Oh, and remember that Wisconsin had a month to get ready for TCU. Maybe they forgot to circle the game.

Ref throws a flag!!

Don't pick on bucky's special needs coach. He's doing very well for a person of his... "ability"

 

[BB73]

If there are 4 Super-Conferences, they could implement a system of relegation, like the English soccer leagues have, in order to allow successful teams form the lower level to move up, and remove the teams that under-perform. It could be done once every 4 years or so, rather than annually, and it could have a geographic component to it.

So 1 team in each of four geographic regions could be replaced every 4 years, using a 4-year computer average to determine the rankings for each team, since human polls would be too biased and agenda-driven, and just using W-L record would allow teams to survive by scheduling patsies.

It's reasonably fair, it allows the little guy a chance to move up, and it provides an incentive for the mediocre teams to improve their programs or risk losing their cash cow.

But it will NEVER happen.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

Ok.. I hope everyone gets as big a laugh outta this as I did this morning... Local sport talk morning show... bemoaning A&M going to the SEC. Here are some of the quotes

"BIG XII top 5 are just as good as the SEC"
"there are 4 teams in the top 10 from the SEC & the Big 12 (at this point my mind started playing the 'one of these things is not like the other' song). LSU & Alabama, OKie and Okie State"
"with the rise of Baylor" (I'm glad I didn't have coffee otherwise it woulda been all over my dashboard)
"the Big 12 is just SLIGHTLY worse than the SEC... the Big 12 doesn't QUITE have the depth of the SEC"

I'm sure there was more i've missed but I'll be the first to say.. I'm not the big SEC fan... but man.. LSU & Bama would torch Okie and Okie light faster than a match in a field dried grass... its so funny... now that A&M is gone... Tejas is bitching about them leaving etc...

 

[Dryden]

"with the rise of Baylor" (I'm glad I didn't have coffee otherwise it woulda been all over my dashboard)

Man, reality is going to slap these people in the face when RG3 graduates.

They sound like the Indiana fans ten years ago when they had Antwaan Randle El.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

Man, reality is going to slap these people in the face when RG3 graduates.

They sound like the Indiana fans ten years ago when they had Antwaan Randle El.

Or when he goes down with an injury... just like he has the past 2 or 3 years.

Keep in mind this was from a U Tejas radio station too! trying to make the folks feel better about playing a conference that is slightly more powerful than the Big East right now.

 

[kn1f3party]

That conclusion is far from certain. If Indiana played Boise's schedule every year they would be significantly over .500 historically and a much more attractive destination for players rather than getting the [Mark May] kicked out of them in the Big Ten for a century and being a football backwater.

The worst of the worst all-crap team of the BCS conferences would be a significant step up in competition for trucker U. You also have to wonder how Boise would do on the recruiting front with conference mandated academic standards a bit higher than a local community college.

Bottom line, [censored] Boise State. Why not put Juno, Alaska's local community college into a BCS conference? It would be about the same thing minus a 15 years of relative success on the football field.

I disagree with this. IU has never been relevent and they've had 125 years to do it. With the exception of a couple of 9 win seasons scattered throughout the decades, they've been awful. They rock an all-time losing percentage. TCU is joining the Big East--if it will still exist or even have a BCS berth. I expect they'll go in and trash that conference. Then the excuse will be, "but it is the Big East." When do the excuses end before we realize these guys are no different than us 70 years ago, trying to get our first championship and being stuck playing 5 Ohio Wesleyans for every Navy (back then). But back then, things were different. BYU and SMU could win a national championship on the body of work for a season. How is Boise State supposed to get in to the Pac-12, the Big XII, or the Big Ten? Should they really have to do that to just have a legit shot at competing for a championship in their division? They're already had more 9+ win seasons than Indiana in their 15 years of 1A football but they have a fraction of the access.

I'm not really opposed to much of what you are saying here, but let's also admit that many of the "blessed 64" are grandfathered in. In a league of Indiana, Duke, Vandy, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Wazoo, Oregon State, Ole Miss, Northwestern, Boise State and TCU; The Game would often come down to TCU and Boise State.

I also understand that TCU and Boise State aren't going to hold up playing Tennessee's schedule... but neither is Tennessee, or Georgia, or Mississippi State, or Ol' Miss, or Michigan State, or Illinois, or Purdue, or Minnesota, or anybody but pre-sanctions USC in the PAC 12.

The fact is that teams that regularly end the season in the top 25 represent programs where money, facilities, history and fan support are of such an advantage that they are rarely going into a season in which they face more than three games against competition of equal capabilities.

This, exactly. The way the system is now basically preserves the postseason to fewer teams than exist in the NFL. Is anybody getting tired of the same dozen or so schools yet?

 

[Mike80]

I disagree with this. IU has never been relevent and they've had 125 years to do it. With the exception of a couple of 9 win seasons scattered throughout the decades, they've been awful. They rock an all-time losing percentage. TCU is joining the Big East--if it will still exist or even have a BCS berth. I expect they'll go in and trash that conference. Then the excuse will be, "but it is the Big East." When do the excuses end before we realize these guys are no different than us 70 years ago, trying to get our first championship and being stuck playing 5 Ohio Wesleyans for every Navy (back then). But back then, things were different. BYU and SMU could win a national championship on the body of work for a season. How is Boise State supposed to get in to the Pac-12, the Big XII, or the Big Ten? Should they really have to do that to just have a legit shot at competing for a championship in their division? They're already had more 9+ win seasons than Indiana in their 15 years of 1A football but they have a fraction of the access.

ummm 70 years ago Ohio State was in the Big Ten.

I think you mean something more like 90 years ago.

 

[Mike80]

This, exactly. The way the system is now basically preserves the postseason to fewer teams than exist in the NFL. Is anybody getting tired of the same dozen or so schools yet?

Hate to break it to you, but the way things are going now (minus Ntre Ame and scUM's absence) are the same as it's really always been in major CFB.

 

[kn1f3party]

ummm 70 years ago Ohio State was in the Big Ten.

I think you mean something more like 90 years ago.

No, I meant 70... Look at these world beaters we climbed to get there.

Fort Knox
IU (7-3)
USC (5-5-1)
Purdue (1-8)
Northwestern (1-9)
Pittsburgh (3-6)
Illinois (6-4)
Michigan (7-3)
Iowa Pre-Flight (7-3)

Not sure how different that is from the Mountain West of today. Obviously the game has changed quite a bit, but our only tough opponent that year was Wisconsin and we lost to them.

 

[kn1f3party]

Hate to break it to you, but the way things are going now (minus Ntre Ame and scUM's absence) are the same as it's really always been in major CFB.

What are you talking about? Georgia Tech, Colorado, Washington, BYU, when was the last time these guys have ever been considered legit contenders? Will they ever again in the current system?

 

[Mike80]

No, I meant 70... Look at these world beaters we climbed to get there.

Fort Knox
IU (7-3)
USC (5-5-1)
Purdue (1-8)
Northwestern (1-9)
Pittsburgh (3-6)
Illinois (6-4)
Michigan (7-3)
Iowa Pre-Flight (7-3)

Not sure how different that is from the Mountain West of today. Obviously the game has changed quite a bit, but our only tough opponent that year was Wisconsin and we lost to them.

So playing the Big Ten schedule at the time is equivalent to playing 5 Ohio Wesleyan's?

Any serious conversation ends with that observation. BTW they played USC that year - you know USC - a school that has 11 recognized national championships, 4 of which came BEFORE your clearly incorrect 70 years ago timeframe.

Try again. Actually don't. please.

 

[BB73]

No, I meant 70... Look at these world beaters we climbed to get there.

Fort Knox
IU (7-3)
USC (5-5-1)
Purdue (1-8)
Northwestern (1-9)
Pittsburgh (3-6)
Illinois (6-4)
Michigan (7-3)
Iowa Pre-Flight (7-3)

Not sure how different that is from the Mountain West of today. Obviously the game has changed quite a bit, but our only tough opponent that year was Wisconsin and we lost to them.

That's the 1942 schedule. FYI, Iowa Pre-Flight was prety good - they beat tOSU in the 1943 season opener and went on to finish second in the nation, receiving 12 first place votes in the Final AP poll. World War Two impacted a lot of football programs, and created some temporary powers in military training schools.

 

[Mike80]

What are you talking about? Georgia Tech, Colorado, Washington, BYU, when was the last time these guys have ever been considered legit contenders? Will they ever again in the current system?

What the hell are you talking about??

Ever heard of Steve Young? How about LaVell Edwards??

How about Washington under Don James? They were fairly dominant in the 80s and 90s (which BTW, is about when Cryami and Florida showed up, unless they don't count either in your factually challenged observations)....

Georgia Tech? Umm John Heisman? Ever heard of him?

And while Colorado was never a year in and year out contender, they've historically (meaning in the past 40 years or so) been much better more consistently than they have since Gary Barnett ruined the program.

Check your history.

 

[BB73]

ummm 70 years ago Ohio State was in the Big Ten.

I think you mean something more like 90 years ago.

ummm 90 years ago Ohio State was in the Big Ten.




Go for 100.