Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Buckeye Maniac]

I don't see how NDSU would benefit the conference at all in any way. Athletically they are very much below all the other Big 10 teams, and academically they are a tier 3 school, they would drag down the Big 10's academic standing by a lot.

 

[OSU_D/]

The difference between 2002 and 2006, imo, had absolutely nothing to do with The Game or how it was perceived in relation to the NC Game. I do think that the 50 days of dick sucking by the media didn't help, though I'm thouroughly unconvinced that 43 days of dick sucking instead of 50 would've made a damn bit of difference.

Then we will just have to disagree on the first sentence. But my opinion is all that "dick sucking" fed the notion to those involved that the 1v2 OSU v UM game was tougher and more important than the championship game.

No, it's not. JT saying The Game is the biggest game of the year, no matter what bowl game, is the truth.

Tell me that you would like to win the bowl game more than beat TSUN.

If it were possible to lose to Michigan and still win the championship game, I would take the national championship EVERY year. You can talk about The Game all you want, but athletes play to win the overall championship. However we know this isn't probable as the loser of OSU - UM (as long as it is at the last week of Big 10 play) would probably be knocked out of the BCSCG contention. For the average bowl game I think it is much more important to beat Michigan.

JT has been wrong before, and if he truly believes that a victory over Michigan is bigger/more important that a victory in the national championship bowl game, then I think he is wrong.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Then we will just have to disagree on the first sentence. But my opinion is all that "dick sucking" fed the notion to those involved that the 1v2 OSU v UM game was tougher and more important than the championship game.

Yeah, we will. I firmly believe that The Game WAS more important in '06. I don't give a flying fuck what ESPN or their ilk say. tOSU's reputation, throughout history, hasn't been judged by MNC's. It's been judged in victories over TSUN. Period.

If it were possible to lose to Michigan and still win the championship game, I would take the national championship EVERY year.

Wow. Not me, not ever, not even a little bit.

You can talk about The Game all you want, but athletes play to win the overall championship.

I don't believe this. Agree to disagree. I'm sure some do, just as I'm sure some feel the way I do.

JT has been wrong before, and if he truly believes that a victory over Michigan is bigger/more important that a victory in the national championship bowl game, then I think he is wrong.

And I think he does believe that, and that's why I couldn't imagine a better coach for my Buckeyes. I love that man.

 

[Buckeye Nut]

I don't see how NDSU would benefit the conference at all in any way. Athletically they are very much below all the other Big 10 teams, and academically they are a tier 3 school, they would drag down the Big 10's academic standing by a lot.

My thoughts exactly. Literally the only ones who would benefit would be NDSU, there is zero benefit on all fronts to the Big Ten conference. Academically, athletically, and from a marketing standpoint.

 

[BUCKYLE]

My thoughts exactly. Literally the only ones who would benefit would be NDSU, there is zero benefit on all fronts to the Big Ten conference. Academically, athletically, and from a marketing standpoint.

It's the most ridiculous proposed team I've ever heard mentioned as far as joining the B10 is concerned. I mean, seriously, it's fucking hilarious.

They weren't even D1-AA until 2004. Their stadium, the "Fargodome", holds 19,000 fans. It's fucking absurd. But dude wants to get all upset. He even knew it was a ridiculous idea, but wanted people here to tell him it was a good idea.

Seriously...fucking absurd.

 

[martinss01]

[john cooper]If it were possible to lose to Michigan and still win the championship game, I would take the national championship EVERY year.[/john cooper]

fify

 

[calibuck]

Shows you why the Tennessean (John Cooper ol' 2-10-1) never "got it." After thirteen years here, and ten losses, he was still spewing that swill. If you've got other aspirations as a coach, then yeah, that's an accurate statement, but if you don't, then keep your mouth shut. He was a Michigan patsy, and that is ultimately the reason he was canned. Not the 'he's lost control of the team' pablum fed the public. The Big Money boys made it known that losing to Michigan wasn't acceptable. Same as the Big Money Boys at the school up North are letting the Michigan President know that the 2000 days crap has to stop. Simple economics.

:gobucks3::gobucks4:

 

[JCOSU86]

Iowa State actually fits your description better than Missouri: they are a land grant school with over 25,000 students and do a ton of research (mostly livestock and agricultural).

On the other hand, they just plain suck at football.

And everything else save for wrestling.

 

[matcar]

Yeah, we will. I firmly believe that The Game WAS more important in '06. I don't give a flying [censored] what ESPN or their ilk say. tOSU's reputation, throughout history, hasn't been judged by MNC's. It's been judged in victories over TSUN. Period.






Wow. Not me, not ever, not even a little bit.


I don't believe this. Agree to disagree. I'm sure some do, just as I'm sure some feel the way I do.


And I think he does believe that, and that's why I couldn't imagine a better coach for my Buckeyes. I love that man.

I don't know about the rest of this, but you couldn't be more wrong in the statement about how we're judged. We are very much judged by how we perform in bowls and not how we do against TSUN. Inside Ohio, it's different, but in the rest of the world, judgement day comes in January.

As for adding a 12th team, if we were to do it, I think Texas is the better option and their academic side will kill to join the B10.

 

[sammyjenkis]

Why does everyone want to add a team? It makes no sense to me. Would the conference stay the Big 10, or become Big 12 II? Maybe Big 11 + 1? Why not kick one of the teams out? If not one of the originals, then Penn State. Their fans are a bunch of [censored]eaters, and JoPa already stated he doesn't want to play in an eleven-team conference.

As for saving The Game while instituting a conference championship game: What if the regular season schedules of Mich and Ohio State ended with a conditional matchup? Each teams' last game of the season is not scheduled to be against the other, but is just a non-conference patsy. If Mich and Ohio State each win their divisions, the conference championship is The Game. If one or both do not make it, there is a switch - the patsies play each other and The Game occurs as the final regular-season game.

Both ideas complete idiocy, or does one hold water?


Edit: 69th post. Definite sign from above, the gods favor my plan.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I don't know about the rest of this, but you couldn't be more wrong in the statement about how we're judged. We are very much judged by how we perform in bowls and not how we do against TSUN. Inside Ohio, it's different, but in the rest of the world, judgement day comes in January.

As for adding a 12th team, if we were to do it, I think Texas is the better option and their academic side will kill to join the B10.

Well, to be honest, I couldn't give a fuck how we're judged outside of Ohio.

The Game is what cemented both teams reputations in College Football. That, and all time wins. History, tradition, great coaches, All-Americans...and NC's play a part. But not the biggest part, not by far.

 

[jwinslow]

The Game is what cemented both teams reputations in College Football.

Because they weren't this terrible. Until that changes, so does the current script.

It's not The Game if Woody keeps destroying hapless UM. It became The Game when Bo made it a war.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Because they weren't this terrible. Until that changes, so does the current script.

It's not The Game if Woody keeps destroying hapless UM. It became The Game when Bo made it a war.

Agreed 100%. Throughout the history of the rivalry, no team has been down for too long.

My only point is that tOSU's seven NC's aren't what 99% of the CFB world thinks of when they think Ohio State. They think of 7 Heismans, including the only two time winner. They think of Script Ohio, all time wins, a shit ton of all amercians, and The Game. This is from my personal experience travelling. Not one person I talked to in all the different states I've travelled even mentioned how many NC's tOSU had won. Yet EVERY one of them said "The Michigan game is pretty huge", or something like that. The reason it's huge, like you said, is because since the forward pass, neither team has had a huge run in the game.

 

[jwinslow]

Agreed 100%. Throughout the history of the rivalry, no team has been down for too long.

So should JT take one for the rivalry? Or will Jim Harbaugh fix that after RR?

 

[BUCKYLE]

So should JT take one for the rivalry? Or will Jim Harbaugh fix that after RR?

Neither. We still have 2-10-1 to even out.