Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[BB73]

It's not The Game if Woody keeps destroying hapless UM. It became The Game when Bo made it a war.

Chic Harley, Francis 'Close the Gates of Mercy' Schmidt, and everybody that attended the Snow Bowl just sent you something on Twitter.

 

[WyoBuck]

Neither. We still have 2-10-1 to even out.

As well as 57-42-6, 86-0 and 1901-1909. We are getting ever closer to the last one. This rivalry goes back well before Woody, the rest of the nation just decided to pay attention when Bo ended up at TSUN.

 

[matcar]

Agreed 100%. Throughout the history of the rivalry, no team has been down for too long.

My only point is that tOSU's seven NC's aren't what 99% of the CFB world thinks of when they think Ohio State. They think of 7 Heismans, including the only two time winner. They think of Script Ohio, all time wins, a [censored] ton of all amercians, and The Game. This is from my personal experience travelling. Not one person I talked to in all the different states I've travelled even mentioned how many NC's tOSU had won. Yet EVERY one of them said "The Michigan game is pretty huge", or something like that. The reason it's huge, like you said, is because since the forward pass, neither team has had a huge run in the game.

The reason they don't think of our National Championships may have something to do with the fact that we have 1 in the past 40 years. If we win more of those, then that gets factored into how people view us (along with our bitter rivalry, TBDBITL, Script Ohio, etc. You seem to feel differently...which is cool, but I'll say that while I like the band, I'd MUCH RATHER be known for winning MNCs than the band. (That's just me and you probably feel differently) I get that you don't care how people outside of Ohio think...and that's fine. Frankly, I don't really care that much how people inside OR outside of Ohio think...I just took exception to the notion that how we are perceived relates to our record against TSUN.....because the vast majority of CFB fans consider that second fiddle to what we do in the bowl. Teams are measured by the post-season...even if it's only one game.

I will say that I think we agree about one thing...which is that I don't really want a conference championship game. I'd prefer to end the season with a route of TSUN.

 

[BrowardBuck]

For most OSU fans, the only thing better than beating UM is winning the NC. If they happen together, it is ecstasy. As much as some would have you believe, we don't live in the 50's and 60's anymore and college football doesn't revolve around UM and OSU and The Game. It may still be the biggest rivalry in college football and possibly all of sports. I've lived and died by the results of The Game for 40 years. My guts have hurt after losses and don't even get me started about the losses during the Cooper years. But times change and so has CFB.

I grew up watching Woody and Bo and to this day, I don't know if there were two greater men in CFB. But, we are no longer in an that era. I agree that eventually, there will be too much pressure put the bear that will result in some for of playoff. Just because there is another game played after The Game doesn't diminish the importance of the rivalry or the game played on the field and even if we had a CCG, there is a real likelihood that in many years, if not most, the winner of the conference will be the winner of The Game.

There is no more important game on our schedule every year than The Game. To me, that would not change, regardless of whether there was a CCG added. And, although it is exceptionally tough to say, and I feel that I am representative of the majority of OSU fans, I would still take the NC win even with a loss to UM. It may stick in my craw knowing we lost during the regular season to them and it would make me sick to think about. But, if the salve on that would was a crystal trophy in the trophy case, it would at least make the thought bearable.

Just more of my 2 cents.

BB

On one hand, I don't think Kyle's attitude had anything to do with our 2006 team's performance against Florida. Fans can feel however they want, it's not going to affect the team. I don't think.

On the other, I agree with not undermining the importance of NC games (though, I'm not sure if that's what Kyle was trying to do, he can speak for himself). My dad's happiness after the '02 Championship game was pretty much unmatched by anything I'd seen (maybe even better than my birth...but I'll never know ).

We have to Beat Michigan to get to the National Championship, though, and I wouldn't want it any other way, meaning, I don't want a game after The Game.

Personally, I'd be fine with moving the season up, maybe make The Game the first Saturday in December? I know they've already moved it to Thanksgiving Weekend, but I don't think I like that (Oh8ch brought it up in one of his Observations, it just won't be the same atmosphere on campus, kids will be home, etc). All of these bowl games and the new BCS system (with 4 BCS games and then an NC game) have pushed the NC game back farther than it used to be by about a week. It might be time to adjust the season to accommodate.

But The Game has to be the last Big 10 game.

 

[calibuck]

Greenies to BrowardBuck. I feel the same way he does. Has anyone thought that if we DONOT beat Meatchicken, there's probably zero chance that we will win a NC? I really cannot see OSU in the NC game under any scenario, if we lose to Michigan. Therefore grasshopper, by elimination, that makes the Michigan game more important. A stepping stone to be sure, but the critical game nonetheless.

:gobucks3::gobucks4:

 

[OH HSKR FAN]

There has been some chatter on Nebraska message boards about the Huskers leaving the Big 12 and joining the Big 10.


Not sure what to make it of myself. Going to an area historically where they have not recruited well? Coach Pelini would have to make some staff changes. Hire guys with better recruiting ability in B10 areas. The increased television exposure would be nice. Nebraska is a land grant university. More in common with say Iowa, Illinois, Indiana than say a Texas, Oklahoma, A&M where oil tends to run things.

Nothing more than talk right now. Hey, it is summertime right now. Conjecture abounds!

 

[jwinslow]

How are Nebraska's academics? That's a pretty big deal to the conference.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

The reason they don't think of our National Championships may have something to do with the fact that we have 1 in the past 40 years. If we win more of those, then that gets factored into how people view us (along with our bitter rivalry, TBDBITL, Script Ohio, etc. You seem to feel differently...which is cool, but I'll say that while I like the band, I'd MUCH RATHER be known for winning MNCs than the band. (That's just me and you probably feel differently) I get that you don't care how people outside of Ohio think...and that's fine. Frankly, I don't really care that much how people inside OR outside of Ohio think...I just took exception to the notion that how we are perceived relates to our record against TSUN.....because the vast majority of CFB fans consider that second fiddle to what we do in the bowl. Teams are measured by the post-season...even if it's only one game.

I will say that I think we agree about one thing...which is that I don't really want a conference championship game. I'd prefer to end the season with a route of TSUN.

Completely disagree. Just because message board trolls and ESPN constantly bring it up doesn't mean no one cares about our Big-10 titles and consistent winning.

I agree with BUCKYLE on this. MNC's are incredibly rare. The most any D-1A school claims is I believe 11. That's in 100+ years of football and includes lots of shared titles. People associate schools more with tradition; All-Americans, big games, conference titles, rivalries, etc. When I think of Cryami, I think of NFL talent, UM-FSU, the thug mentality they played with, and the Orange Bowl. When I think of Nebraska I think of Tommy Frazier, Tom Osbourne, 30+ straight bowl games, the option, the black shirts. USC? The NFL HoF'ers, All-Americans, the Coliseum, great runningbacks, Rose Bowls. It's like that with all schools. MNC's aren't even top 5.

 

[MaxBuck]

Chic Harley, Francis 'Close the Gates of Mercy' Schmidt, and everybody that attended the Snow Bowl just sent you something on Twitter.

I hadn't realized dead people could tweet. Thanks for the update.

 

[Mike80]

The reason they don't think of our National Championships may have something to do with the fact that we have 1 in the past 40 years. If we win more of those, then that gets factored into how people view us (along with our bitter rivalry, TBDBITL, Script Ohio, etc. You seem to feel differently...which is cool, but I'll say that while I like the band, I'd MUCH RATHER be known for winning MNCs than the band. (That's just me and you probably feel differently) I get that you don't care how people outside of Ohio think...and that's fine. Frankly, I don't really care that much how people inside OR outside of Ohio think...I just took exception to the notion that how we are perceived relates to our record against TSUN.....because the vast majority of CFB fans consider that second fiddle to what we do in the bowl. Teams are measured by the post-season...even if it's only one game.

I will say that I think we agree about one thing...which is that I don't really want a conference championship game. I'd prefer to end the season with a route of TSUN.

Due to the influx of idiots from the SEC and ACC (mainly) on the college football fan landscape, anything pre-2003 just doesn't count. Yes (and with apologies to Nutria and Gator), widespread internet access in the SEC territories is killing college football.

That's all the tradition and NFL players and All-Americans and all that stuff. And the problem is those idiots are loud enough that the failed English majors that pose as Sports Journalists are picking it up and running with it.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

...Has anyone thought that if we DONOT beat Meatchicken, there's probably zero chance that we will win a NC?...

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that lots of people have thought of that. I'm only basing this on the fact that it is one of the most frequently posted observations of the obvious in the history of the interwebs.

 

[BB73]

I agree with BUCKYLE on this. MNC's are incredibly rare. The most any D-1A school claims is I believe 11.

Even ignoring the Princeton and Yale titles before 1900, that's not quite true.

Alabama claims 12, although the 2-losses-before-the-bowl-game season in 1941 is a real stretch. Some Bama fans also claim up to 16, with '45 '66, '67, and '77 being the other years in question.

Some Domers claim 12 titles since 1923. The disputed one is 1953, when they finished second to Maryland in both final polls, but Maryland lost the Orange Bowl after the final polls were taken.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Even ignoring the Princeton and Yale titles before 1900, that's not quite true.

Alabama claims 12, although the 2-losses-before-the-bowl-game season in 1941 is a real stretch. Some Bama fans also claim up to 16, with '45 '66, '67, and '77 being the other years in question.

Some Domers claim 12 titles since 1923. The disputed one is 1953, when they finished second to Maryland in both final polls, but Maryland lost the Orange Bowl after the final polls were taken.

and who are the rest of CFB fans to dispute the legitimacy of the Birmingham and South Bend Rotarian polls?

Speaking of a bunch of assholes, don't scUM fans claim something like 11 NC's (10.5 of which are pre WWI )?

 

[BB73]

and who are the rest of CFB fans to dispute the legitimacy of the Birmingham and South Bend Rotarian polls?

Speaking of a bunch of assholes, don't scUM fans claim something like 11 NC's (10.5 of which are pre WWI )?

They claim 11 - I only mentioned those claiming more than 11 since 1900. But only 8.5 are pre-World War Two.

I guess you could say that 4.5 are pre WWI, since they claim 1901 through 04, and the 1918 season straddled Armistice Day.

 

[Mike80]

They claim 11 - I only mentioned those claiming more than 11 since 1900. But only 8.5 are pre-World War Two.

I guess you could say that 4.5 are pre WWI, since they claim 1901 through 04, and the 1918 season straddled Armistice Day.

Best Buckeye would be the best source for those pre-WW1 titles - he was there for them :p