Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[matcar]

What? they haven't posted their feelings about conference expansion on Facebook yet?

Despite the internet, there are things that still occur in this world outside of the public eye.

Speculating based on "known" information in this instance seems just about as useless as speculating based on no information given that a vast majority of the important things are occurring completely outside of everyone but a very select few's knowledge.

But whatever, it just annoys me when people make definitive statements based on far less than complete knowledge of situations.

Carry on.

If you read my post you'd see where I said I THINK that Delany makes no move. That, my friend is NOT definitive,but rather an opinion. Granted, it is a logical and informed opinion, but nonetheless an opinion. But since you don't like that opinion, you begin senseless bashing and now a straw man. Well done. Meanwhile , I'm pretty sure an Internet message board is where people have shared such opinions for 15 years...you just catching on now?

You want to believe PBC or others, be my guest. From where I sit, it's been made painfully clear that ND really doesn't want to join any conference and UT would prefer other conference affiliations as well. Those are the two cherries to pluck. Other choices are far less economically desirable and make one question whether it would really be worth expanding for.

 

[Wingate1217]

Well, the ACC's first mistake was putting the championship game in Jacksonville, FL. Can't imagine a lot of people from Virginia or Boston wanted to spend a sunny fall afternoon in a redneck/conservative/jort-wearing city that the rest of Florida would just assume belongs across the state line in Georgia. Little known fact: When Georgia and Florida play the WLOCP there, the loser of the game has to claim the city of Jacksonville as part of their state for a year.

Thank God they moved the game to Charlotte....where I can attend..:)

 

[MaliBuckeye]

But whatever, it just annoys me when people make definitive statements based on far less than complete knowledge of situations.

Carry on.

I'm positive that you only said that because you needed a nap.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

I sure get the sense there is a real struggle between the academics/educators vs. the athletics/business portions of many universities going on now. Indeed, many are questioning what a 'conference' really is. I guess the PAC12 and WAC arent ambiguous, what with 'athletic' in the name. I'm just proud to be a part of a university and conference that saw the opportunity to be more than an athletic league. To associate with peer institutions in order to better fulfill the core mission of your institution is what universities should do.

I hate to think that amongst the universities there is are frantic cash grabs and purely financial motivations behind the realignments. And even moreso, I hate to think there is/are media 'outlets' who are doing their best to pull the strings and align college sporting leagues in order to improve their bottom line and perhaps fulfill their vision(s) of how the mNC should be packaged and sold. "FBS" football would be one or two steps from becoming a professional sports league if media 'outlets' got their way. This is why, IMO, the B1G is resistant to a playoff - too much of a seemingly professional venture and too huge a 'product' for media outlets to turn a huge profit on. After all, what is college sports? My brand vs. Your brand? Or students at my school vs. Students of your school?

 

[BuckTwenty]

PBC supposedly posted around 1:30pm today on his board, but "the message is no longer in (their) system". Not the first time he's had posts deleted over there.

Stuff like that makes him more believable to me, because he has been censored (supposedly) by higher ups within the conference that know he's posting on there.

Then again, all other signs point to them not coming to the B1G.

 

[Muck]

The kitties are all fretting... "Why have thou forsaken us PBC?!"

lol

 

[Bobby Hoying]

I hate to think that amongst the universities there is are frantic cash grabs and purely financial motivations behind the realignments.

I'm sure it's a huge reason. In these financial times where are the universities going to go to get money? The state governments have slashed their funding and donations from alumni are surely drying up.

Here's what some Big 12 schools did with their tv money:

The television deal that the Big 12 signed with Fox Sports Media Group for an estimated $90 million over a 13-year period beginning in 2012 allowed schools to begin major on-campus projects.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6970677/big-12-schools-face-economic-impact-shuffling

 

[BrowardBuck]

If this were the case and it was backed up with solid proof, ESPN could/would be put out of business. To interfere in a hostile way to intentionally steer teams to a specif conference could put them in jeopardy of a major lawsuit. Of course, as I said, there would have to be very solid proof of it. Nothing would suit me more than to see them crash and burn in all their glory.

BB

PBC is pretty solid that the four letter network is behind the Pitt/Syracuse deal to lure Texas to the ACC.

So, you just know that they'd toss a [MarkMay]load of money at ND just to keep them away from the B1G and to eff Delany.

Of course, if the B1G got off their high horses, it'd be great to see ND get to play games against teams (in all sports) that were not within easy driving distance- "Hope that TV money buys lots of jet fuel, boys..." Jim Delany

 

[kinch]

If this were the case and it was backed up with solid proof, ESPN could/would be put out of business. To interfere in a hostile way to intentionally steer teams to a specif conference could put them in jeopardy of a major lawsuit. Of course, as I said, there would have to be very solid proof of it. Nothing would suit me more than to see them crash and burn in all their glory.

BB

What would be the unlawful conduct?

 

[OSU_D/]

They meet the academic credentials, unlike some other popular choices.

They also dilute the revenue worse than any other school mentioned. IF the B1G expands they look at academics as one factor of many.

But no mistake. No school will be invited to join unless they will increase the share everyone receives. ISU is the absolute worst case scenario for this.

 

[dragurd]

Not only would it have to be able to be proven though. Said school would have to have the fortitude to go through with it even if it meant being blackballed by the biggest sports network and that is what ESPN is probably counting on.

 

[Buckeye86]

If you read my post you'd see where I said I THINK that Delany makes no move. That, my friend is NOT definitive,but rather an opinion. Granted, it is a logical and informed opinion, but nonetheless an opinion. But since you don't like that opinion, you begin senseless bashing and now a straw man. Well done. Meanwhile , I'm pretty sure an Internet message board is where people have shared such opinions for 15 years...you just catching on now?

For such a renowned guru of internet message boards, you seem to have unbelievably thin skin when it comes to what constitutes "senseless bashing."

For the record, the definitive part of your post that I took exception to was this:

as none of the truly desirable programs are interested in The B1G.

But please, don't respond, I will bow out of this conversation and shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place since I am apparently spoiling the fun.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

If the Big 10 Presidents voted to allow Iowa State I may have to assassinate each of them.

This.

The kitties are all fretting... "Why have thou forsaken us PBC?!"

Don't laugh, it isn't funny

I am continuously amazed at the clairvoyance so many others seem to have when it comes to the thoughts and actions of people they don't know and their activities they have no knowledge of.

I'm just glad that people with such amazing gifts continue to share them on BP.

But please, don't respond, I will bow out of this conversation and shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place since I am apparently spoiling the fun.

...proving that if you wait long enough, all conflicts eventually resolve themselves

 

[Gatorubet]

...proving that if you wait long enough, all conflicts eventually resolve themselves

How do you say "Notre Dame sucks!" in Yiddish again???

 

[matcar]

For such a renowned guru of internet message boards, you seem to have unbelievably thin skin when it comes to what constitutes "senseless bashing."

For the record, the definitive part of your post that I took exception to was this:



But please, don't respond, I will bow out of this conversation and shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place since I am apparently spoiling the fun.

You said

it just annoys me when people make definitive statements based on far less than complete knowledge of situations.

I have no idea how that could relate back to the statement about UT and ND being the prize catches...so it seems you continue to create strawmen. And for the record, you don't have to have intimate knowledge of backroom conversations to know that those two programs are the pick of the litter out there and are the programs that could bring huge $$$ to a conference.