Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[PlanetFrnd]

...shocked

 

[DallasHusker]

I am basing my theory that the B1G will do nothing for multiple reasons.

3. ND does not need to be in a conference. They have the brand name to be an independent and still get a huge TV deal from either NBC, or if they balk, I am sure ESPiN will throw a ton of money at them. They also have an exemption from the BCS to get into a BSC game without being a conference winner.

I'm about 3-4 pages behind in this exploding thread, so this may have been mentioned already. The thing that could likely force Notre Dame's hand is not money or BCS, its football scheduling issues. The B1G is already going to 9 conference games, lopping off one non-conference game per year. If the landscape moves to 16 team super-conferences, there will be even less non-conference game slots available, and Notre Dame starts having real problems scheduling games with any significant schools, especially in the latter half of each season.

 

[kn1f3party]

I'm about 3-4 pages behind in this exploding thread, so this may have been mentioned already. The thing that could likely force Notre Dame's hand is not money or BCS, its football scheduling issues. The B1G is already going to 9 conference games, lopping off one non-conference game per year. If the landscape moves to 16 team super-conferences, there will be even less non-conference game slots available, and Notre Dame starts having real problems scheduling games with any significant schools, especially in the latter half of each season.

This is an interesting point. If 9 games proves to provide financial gains, with further expansion what would 10 do? All of a sudden Purdue/scUM/Sparty have to think hard about who they schedule non-conference if they want to play in December--forget about January.

 

[IronBuckI]

If money-grab/realignment is inevitible, then more games is also inevitible, in my IMO.

 

[IronBuckI]

1. Doing that would currently be illegal under NCAA rules (there is no provision for semi-finals then championship mini playoff within a conference).

2. Neither conference currently has access to a BCS slot. Being in discussions with one another isn't going to make one magically appear.

3. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

1. There is no provision for that, but there's also nothing preventing it. There isn't any rule that governs how teams reach a conference championship game other than being the champion of their division. The only mention of conference championship games, that I could find, is listed in the rules allowing for a 13th game. If the semi-finals occurred as the 12th game of the season, then there would be nothing that the NCAA could do about it, under current rules.

Having said that. Conference realignment will most definitely bring along a host of new rules.


2. True. The MWC might just be better off hoping that their own track record will earn them a BCS birth.

3. agreed

 

[Dryden]

If money-grab/realignment is inevitible, then more games is also inevitible, in my IMO.

I just hope I'm still alive when the day arrives that college football is scheduled 52 Saturdays a year.

Of course, that'll suck for the kids playing the game, but it's going to be awesome for me!

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

Based on the article above, I'd say the line is drawn at Missouri. Anything less is a non-starter. Even Missouri seems unlikely. You have to look at the top of that list to see the only things Delaney sees, and that is fine by me. We should only add a team if it is Texas or Notre Dame. We should only add two if it is both. The rest water the league down.

That is the way I have been viewing expansion.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Based on the article above, I'd say the line is drawn at Missouri. Anything less is a non-starter. Even Missouri seems unlikely. You have to look at the top of that list to see the only things Delaney sees, and that is fine by me. We should only add a team if it is Texas or Notre Dame. We should only add two if it is both. The rest water the league down.

That is the way I have been viewing expansion.

Agreed, barring any major steal from the ACC... ([strike]or vandy? [/strike], [strike]ok, not vandy[/strike], [strike]ok vandy[/strike]... nevermind)

 

[kn1f3party]

Twitter going crazy with reports of SEC invite to Missouri.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

Twitter going crazy with reports of SEC invite to Missouri.

link

COLUMBIA | The Southeastern Conference has an offer on the table for Missouri to join its league, and SEC officials are willing to wait for an answer from Missouri until the future of the Big 12 is decided.

That information has come to The Star through a Mizzou booster who spoke directly to a MU official. Another source told The Star on Tuesday that an Oklahoma official had said the SEC is interested in Missouri.

MU chancellor Brady Deaton has gone on record numerous times that, as chairman of the Big 12?s Board of Directors, he is working on keeping the Big 12 together.

But with Texas and Oklahoma regents each authorizing school officials to look elsewhere on Monday, the prospects of a viable Big 12 without either or both of those schools would be in question.

?Apparently they?ve come to us,? the MU booster said of the SEC. ?I?ve been told there is an offer on the table.?
That same source said it was the second time the SEC has made an overture to Missouri, the first coming last year.

?After the Big Ten thing started falling apart,? the source said of the summer of 2010, ?they wanted to talk to us. We didn?t talk to them.?
The ?legitimate interest,? the booster said, came at a point when remaining Big 12 members agreed to stick together in spite of Nebraska going to the Big Ten Conference and Colorado to the Pac-10 last year.


Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/20/3155336/source-mizzou-has-sec-offer-but.html#ixzz1YWDGKn3A​

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[dragurd]

Not really surprising one of the Big10 or the SEC was always going to take them if the BigXII collapses. I also have to believe that Texas is trying to do everything it can to not only shed itself of responsibility for the collapse but shed itself of teams it's required to drag along so they can make whatever move is best for them not whatever move is best for the hanger ons. I don't see anyone taking Tech on it's own merits though.

 

[broken24]

Any chance the Big East takes care of the Tech problem? With the talk of a merger between Big 12 and the Big East, and LHN causing problems with Texas going to the PAC12, Tech could end up going to the Big East.

East Division - Cincinnati, Connecticut, South Florida, Rutgers, Louisville and West Virginia.

West Division - Tech, TCU, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State

If UConn and Rutgers bolt, you add UCF and Missouri (unless they go to SEC) to the east.

Obviously, the Big East has to do something with its Tier 1 TV deal up in a year and losing BCS AQ. If Tech gets scared that they are going to be left out in the cold. It could happen.

 

[kn1f3party]

Any chance the Big East takes care of the Tech problem? With the talk of a merger between Big 12 and the Big East, and LHN causing problems with Texas going to the PAC12, Tech could end up going to the Big East.

East Division - Cincinnati, Connecticut, South Florida, Rutgers, Louisville and West Virginia.

West Division - Tech, TCU, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State

If UConn and Rutgers bolt, you add UCF and Missouri (unless they go to SEC) to the east.

Obviously, the Big East has to do something with its Tier 1 TV deal up in a year and losing BCS AQ. If Tech gets scared that they are going to be left out in the cold. It could happen.

This doesn't save the Big East or the Big XII in my eyes. You're just moving around the bottom half of two leagues to make a larger league with no heavyweights. Nobody in that conference would produce any real revenue so they are hosed on TV deals and AQ. The Big XII stands a better shot to look at the MWC w/ TCU.

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I'm speaking from purely a financial standpoint. I think the savings of keeping the conference regional are > the increased revenue of adding the Big East - your new travel burden in every sport.

 

[BrowardBuck]

I didn't say unlawful. However, if it could be proven that ESPN was intentionally interfering in the business of a conference and that interference costing a conference potentially hundreds of millions or billions of dollars over the next several years, it would be doom for the bad guys. If say ESPN was intentionally steering Texas away from the B1G to say the ACC, where they already have a huge amount of money invested, while at the same time harming a competitor in the BTN, it could spell trouble for them. Not saying it would, but the possibility exists for a lawsuit. As someone else said, it would also take someone with some balls to file that suit and bite the hand that has fed you hundred or millions already.

BB

What would be the unlawful conduct?

 

[broken24]

This doesn't save the Big East or the Big XII in my eyes. You're just moving around the bottom half of two leagues to make a larger league with no heavyweights. Nobody in that conference would produce any real revenue so they are hosed on TV deals and AQ. The Big XII stands a better shot to look at the MWC w/ TCU.

** edit **

I'm speaking from purely a financial standpoint. I think the savings of keeping the conference regional are > the increased revenue of adding the Big East - your new travel burden in every sport.

The Big East lost Pitt and Cuse, neither is a football powerhouse. Adding TCU, Baylor and Tech are equal to or better than what the Big East lost. Now in Basketball, the Big East loss a lot but would gains Kansas. So in football a net gain and in basketball a small loss.

Looking at a Big12/MWC merger, MWC lost it's top 3 programs; Utah BYU and TCU. They then added Boise, and potentially add Baylor and Tech. So they would still be on the outside looking in unless TCU would come back.

Financially, I think losing Pitt and Cuse hurt, especially since basketball is where the Big East makes its money, but adding 3 schools in Texas + Kansas BB should make it up. In either scenario, a lot more money in travel expenses.


Here is a link to an article on how AQ are decided. http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/09/17/how-conference-realignment-could-impact-the-bcs/