Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[IronBuckI]

No one is going to limit twelve teams (assuming a 16 team conference) to eleven games so that only four can play a twelfth game (unless you are proposing a slate of six meaningless consolation games for the rest of the conference teams).

They were actually assuming 22-24 teams, but, yeah, I was proposing a week of consolation games that would determine final rankings and likely bowl game placement for the super duper conference teams.

Look, the super duper conference is a stupid idea. It might as well have a stupid conclusion to the season. Or, like I said before, this realignment shit is going to force some rule changes, and likely more games added to the schedule, so current rules are, IMO, not something that these conferences will be concerned with.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

Someday, these "super conferences" will come apart at the seams after attendance suffers due to travel, rivalries fade, and shares per school turn out to be less than they are now.

At that point, "what the fuck were we thinking?" will be the order of the day.

I think they will come to this conclusion only when the shares per school go down. I don't know if attendance will suffer because of the distance of schools. How bad is attendance for a Boston College game against The U in Boston? Does Florida State have a problem selling out home games against Boston College? I do not know.

 

[Bobby Hoying]

Looks like Penn State might be heading to the ACC...JoePa always liked the East Coast

Asked about the decision by Pittsburgh and Syracuse to leave the Big East and join the burgeoning ACC superconference, Paterno said what you?d expect him to say: That it was a good move for Pitt and Syracuse. It would help them in football, and it would make the ACC even stronger in basketball.
Then, JoePa took it a little further and, unsolicited, brought his school into the conversation.
?Things are changing and you?re not really sure what?s going to happen,? Paterno said. ?I don?t know where we?re going to end up. There might be even some speculation that Penn State maybe ought to get into something different, or we ought to try to go out and get some people from the east to come into the Big Ten.?

http://blogs.thetimes-tribune.com/pennstate/?p=2578

That would suck for the Big Ten to have a team jump ship. But I could see why Penn State would do it, it could make a lot of sense for them....

 

[Woody1968]

Looks like Penn State might be heading to the ACC...JoePa always liked the East Coast

http://blogs.thetimes-tribune.com/pennstate/?p=2578

That would suck for the Big Ten to have a team jump ship. But I could see why Penn State would do it, it could make a lot of sense for them....

Not going to happen. No way. No how. NFW.

 

[Muck]

Wow. Where was this 18 months ago?

...

Also, note that the article ties Oklahoma and OK Lite at the hip - "...going to take major, major reforms for OU, and thus Oklahoma State..."

That is not a good thing for OU, which is a far better brand without OK Lite. You can pretty much kiss Big Ten membership goodbye with that requirement.... not that it was very likely, anyway.

Sounds like the Scott is having problems garnering the votes to get Okie & Boone's Farm an invite.

That would suck for the Big Ten to have a team jump ship. But I could see why Penn State would do it, it could make a lot of sense for them....

Leaving the CIC would be a disaster for Penn State. Their faculty knows it & their administration knows it.

All you're seeing the usual Nit whining about the Big Ole Mean Big Ten that doesn't treat them fair!...coupled with JoePa's standard geriatric ramblings.

 

[Bobby Hoying]

Not going to happen. No way. No how. NFW.

The ACC has some huge stones taking Syracuse and Pitt away from the Big East and then telling the Big East they want Madison Square Garden for their tournament.

 

[Muck]

The ACC has some huge stones taking Syracuse and Pitt away from the Big East and then telling the Big East they want Madison Square Garden for their tournament.

I'm pretty sure my rec softball league could have lured Pitt & Syracuse away from the B(l)east

 

[MaxBuck]

... I could see why Penn State would do it, it could make a lot of sense for them....

Sure, because taking a job for half the salary is something all of us would love to do.

 

[sepia5]

Looks like Penn State might be heading to the ACC...JoePa always liked the East Coast

http://blogs.thetimes-tribune.com/pennstate/?p=2578

That would suck for the Big Ten to have a team jump ship. But I could see why Penn State would do it, it could make a lot of sense for them....

Palm of Hand

Graham Spanier's Forehead

 

[TexasBuck]

Looks like Penn State might be heading to the ACC...JoePa always liked the East Coast

http://blogs.thetimes-tribune.com/pennstate/?p=2578

That would suck for the Big Ten to have a team jump ship. But I could see why Penn State would do it, it could make a lot of sense for them....

I'm just impressed JoePa knows Penn State is currently in the Big 10.

 

[broken24]

If you said "past 10 years," you might have an argument. TCU had a losing record all time before Gary Patterson took over. Texas Tech and Baylor were in the Big XII south basement before the early 2000 in TxTech's case, and well, always in Baylor's case. and they were in the SWC basement before that. While there is no doubt that they have been more successful recently, they have done nothing to show me that they deserve to waltz into a conference and be able to replace two historically competative teams.

Last 30 years (1981-2010)

Tech 198-156 .558
TCU 192-152 .557

Pitt 183-163 .528
Cuse 195-155 .556

Last 40 years (1971-2010)

Tech 265-200 .569
TCU 215-237 .476

Pitt 259-202 .561
Cuse 239 -221 .519


To me Pitt and Cuse are not vastly superior over the past 30-40 years. To you I guess they are.



My original post was basically;
1) That the Big East needs to add teams to remain relevant.
2) Same with the left overs of the Big12.
3) There has been talk of the 2 conferences merging.

If Okla and OK St leave and Texas doesn't go to the Pac12 right away might Tech and the 4 other Big12 merge with the Big East. Thus solving the Tech problem for Texas joining the B1G.

Someone responded saying that the Big12 leftovers should merge with MWC instead of Big East. My response was basically that travel time/expenses would be about the same. And that the losses of Pitt and Cuse would be offset by TCU, Tech, Baylor (I should have said K St.) in the football realm. And that adding Kansas to the Big East would offset the BBall losses. The MWC would have to add the leftovers and TCU, but TCU would not do that.

How do you think they will even be able to maintain relevance?

According to you they are not relevant right now and never have been, so whats the difference.

How many Texas kids are going to sign up to play in the Big East, if they have better options closer to home, like A&M, Missouri, LSU, etc?

The kids that get recruited by LSU and A&M already don't go to to Baylor, TCU, Tech, Iowa State, K St nor Kansas, so what is the difference.

 

[Muck]

Pac-12 Conference: League announces it will NOT expand

The Pac-12 just announced it will not expand.

Take a second to digest that ...

OK.

The league just released an email saying it is sticking at 12.

Larry Scott's statement:

"After careful review we have determined that it is in the best interests of our member institutions, student-athletes and fans to remain a 12-team conference. While we have great respect for all of the institutions that have contacted us, and certain expansion proposals were financially attractive, we have a strong conference structure and culture of equality that we are committed to preserve. With new landmark TV agreements and plans to launch our innovative television networks, we are going to focus solely on these great assets, our strong heritage and the bright future in front of us."​

The news, not coincidentally, comes a few hours after a Daily Oklahoman report that OU was considering staying in the Big 12 if certain demands were met (scaling back the Longhorn Network and the dismissal of B12 commish Dan Beebe).

The question is: Is the Pac-12 not expanding because Oklahoma was considering staying ... or was Oklahoma considering staying because the Pac-12 is not expanding?

Based on Scott?s statement, it would seem the Pac-12 was the proactive party in this.

Either way, the two events -- the news out of Oklahoma today and the league's announcement tonight -- are probably related.

I hope to get answers tonight.

 

[Bobby Hoying]

Pac 12 not expanding has huge implications

1. Who does SEC get for 14th team? Mizzou might stay in Big XII now

2. I guess ND is off the table for B1G

3. The Big XII/Big East merger isn't going to happen, does Big East try to get another football school to replace Syracuse and Pitt?

 

[TexasBuck]

So the big question is now: Does Missouri have an SEC offer or not? I'd think if they have one, they run with it. The Big 12 has proven it's not a stable place and Missouri is a team that could easily get left out if they don't play their cards right. If Missouri leaves, what does the Big 12 do then?

 

[Muck]

So the big question is now: Does Missouri have an SEC offer or not? I'd think if they have one, they run with it. The Big 12 has proven it's not a stable place and Missouri is a team that could easily get left out if they don't play their cards right.

Agreed.