Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[cincibuck]

Probably not. Purdue and Sparty would need to have their arms severely twisted behind closed doors. ND is, arguably, the biggest game on Purdue's schedule unless they're a clear cut B10 contender in a given season. UM is clearly the bigger game for Sparty, but the domers are a close second. Sparty and Purdue both love the television exposure that the domer game brings them--nationally every other year and at least regionally when playing at home.

I'm not sure how attached UM is to their domer game. I think it's a much bigger deal on the domer side of things. Domers are still whining about Yost not liking Catholics.

Michigan did not want Sparty in the Big 10 and fought their entry. Notre Dame gave Michigan State a long term contract, a game which substantially raised MSC's (It was still a college then) stock in the eyes of other Big 10 schools and thus they were admitted to replace Chicago.

Hey, Ord, is this when the Western Conference became the Big 10? There were only nine teams once Hutchins pulled the Maroon out of conference play.

 

[Woody1968]

Michigan did not want Sparty in the Big 10 and fought their entry. Notre Dame gave Michigan State a long term contract, a game which substantially raised MSC's (It was still a college then) stock in the eyes of other Big 10 schools and thus they were admitted to replace Chicago.

Hey, Ord, is this when the Western Conference became the Big 10? There were only nine teams once Hutchins pulled the Maroon out of conference play.

Weren't they known as the Big Nine after Chicago left? (Officially, the Intercollegiate Conference of Faculty Representatives)

 

[MaxBuck]

I'd rather have a school like Mizzou,Syracuse, Maryland or maybe even Vandy rather than keep begging ND to join.

I have no idea where you get the idea that the Big Ten has, at any time, "begged" Ntre Ame to join our conference. Merely extending them the courtesy of an invitation is not anything like "begging."

I'm no fan of NoD and couldn't care less whether they join our league, but if Delany wants to extend invitations to the Irish every year for the next decade, that's his prerogative. If he does so, be assured that it will be for a good reason.

 

[BB73]

Weren't they known as the Big Nine after Chicago left? (Officially, the Intercollegiate Conference of Faculty Representatives)

The official name of the conference that you mention was used when it was created in 1896, with Chicago, Illinois, TSUN, Minny, NW'ern, Purdue, and Wiscy as members. It was unofficially known as The Western Conference. Indiana and Iowa joined in 1899, and the unofficial name of the Big Nine came into play. TSUN left in 1908 and tOSU joined in 1912, making it the Big Nine again. When TSUN rejoined in 1917, the unofficial name of The Big Ten originated.

After Chicago dropped football after 1939, and left the conference (but not the CIC) completely in 1946, it went back to the Big Nine until Sparty joined in 1950.

The conference didn't officially use The Big Ten name until 1987, when it incorporated as a non-profit institution.

bigten.org

February 8, 1896: One faculty representative from each of seven institutions met at The Palmer House in Chicago, Ill., to establish standards and machinery for regulation and administration of intercollegiate athletics. They designated themselves as the "Intercollegiate Conference of Faculty Representatives." The organization eventually was labeled popularly the "Big Ten" or "Western Conference," although the original title remained the official name until the Conference was incorporated in 1987. Original use of the word "conference" has been applied to any group of institutions for similar purposes. The seven original members of the conference were: University of Chicago, University of Illinois, University of Michigan, University of Minnesota, Northwestern University, Purdue University, and University of Wisconsin.

December 1, 1899: Indiana University and State University of Iowa admitted to membership.

January 14, 1908: University of Michigan withdrew from the conference.

April 6, 1912: Ohio State University admitted to membership.

June 9, 1917: University of Michigan invited to return.

November 20, 1917: University of Michigan resumed membership in the conference.

March 8, 1946: University of Chicago formally withdrew from the conference due to inability to "provide reasonable equality of competition as of June 30, 1946."

May 20, 1949: Michigan State College admitted to membership. It was voted that conference competition by Michigan State College would begin with the 1950-51 academic year and, in the case of football, at the expiration of schedules heretofore drawn. (At the December, 1948 meeting, conference football schedules had been drawn through the 1952 season.)

June 4, 1990: Council of Ten voted to confirm the earlier decision to integrate Pennsylvania State University into conference membership. There was agreement that Penn State's integration as a member of the conference should proceed in the most expeditious manner possible in all sports.

June 11, 2010: Council of Presidents/Chancellors voted to accept application from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln for membership in the Big Ten Conference, effective July 1, 2011.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

That's the type of vitriol from which rivalries arise.

Watch your mouth, sir.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

January 14, 1908: University of Michigan withdrew from the conference.

Just to be specific, they were kicked out of the conference because Fielding Yost refused to put the football program under the oversight of the faculty and administration.

 

[cincibuck]

Just to be specific, they were kicked out of the conference because Fielding Yost refused to put the football program under the oversight of the faculty and administration.

Wow! great find. Is there a link? I still can't locate Robert Hutchins' blast to the Detroit Chamber of Commerce a week or two after he decided to pull Chicago from Big 10 football, but it was a real shot at Michigan's academic pretensions.

 

[sflbuck]

Just to be specific, they were kicked out of the conference because Fielding Yost refused to put the football program under the oversight of the faculty and administration.

IIRC, Yost had a habit of using players that had already graduated from other colleges. Kind of shines a different light on the whole "winningest program" thing.

 

[BB73]

Wow! great find. Is there a link? I still can't locate Robert Hutchins' blast to the Detroit Chamber of Commerce a week or two after he decided to pull Chicago from Big 10 football, but it was a real shot at Michigan's academic pretensions.

Rockne and Yost accused each other of using players that shouldn't have been eligible. Read page 96 and 97 of this book, Natural Enemies, by John Kryk:

Link.page.96 (You'll have to page over to 96 after getting to this link)

Page.97

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Wow! great find. Is there a link? I still can't locate Robert Hutchins' blast to the Detroit Chamber of Commerce a week or two after he decided to pull Chicago from Big 10 football, but it was a real shot at Michigan's academic pretensions.

It's detailed pretty clearly in a book titled Stagg's University which details the history of U of C football in its glory years of the first quarter of the last century. The book was, I believe, published by U of C press, so it's well researched and footnoted.

 

[cincibuck]

Rockne and Yost accused each other of using players that shouldn't have been eligible. Read page 96 and 97 of this book, Natural Enemies, by John Kryk:

Link.page.96 (You'll have to page over to 96 after getting to this link)

Page.97

Quite a read, I got as far as the early 50s and what became apparent was that Michigan was every bit the bully that we just witnessed with Texas. Them that has are seldom eager to share with them what ain't.

 

[scarletngray]

As a Husker, I agree with you. I will say though, that you can add and still be very mindful of traditions, resulting in minimal "muck up" or you can do what Texas, et al did do the Big 12 and totally trash tradition - like the Nebraska - OU rivalry, which I'd say used to be similarly intense and elite as tOSU - TSUN, but which essentially died with the Big 12. The already-accomplished trashing of that tradition made it much easier for me and many Husker fans to be excited about the move to the Big Ten.

I remember growing up how the Nebraska vs Oklahoma rivalry was one of the greatest rivalries in CFB. I used to love watching the game every year. Johnny Rogers was electric and Gregg Pruitt is one of my all time favorite players in both CFB and the Pros.

Looking forward to the BUCK's and Husker's facing off and seeing some great games in the future!!

:osu:

 

[Oh8ch]

Looking forward to the BUCK's and Husker's facing off and seeing some great games in the future!!

What could be more classic than cowtown taking on the corn huskers?

 

[cincibuck]

Must be a slow news day...

 

[Coqui]

Anybody who thinks OSU and Michigan should be in different divisions - please read the above carefully.

Keeping them in the same division might actually increase the heat of the rivalry. The winner not only has a chance at winning the conference championship, but by not winning the division, you're locked out of the BCS at large bid (should we get two that season - since it will no doubt go to the runner up.)