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Best College RB You've Seen Since Barry Sanders?

Best College RB You've Seen Since Barry Sanders?

  • LaDainian Tomlinson, TCU

    Votes: 6 4.3%
  • Ron Dayne, Wisconsin

    Votes: 2 1.4%
  • Michael Turner, Northern Illinois

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • DeAngelo Williams, Memphis

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Garrett Wolfe, Northern Illinois

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma

    Votes: 43 30.9%
  • Reggie Bush, USC

    Votes: 19 13.7%
  • Darren McFadden, Arkansas

    Votes: 5 3.6%
  • Knowshon Moreno, Georgia

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Beanie Wells, tOSU

    Votes: 24 17.3%
  • Ricky Williams, Texas

    Votes: 12 8.6%
  • Eddie George, tOSU

    Votes: 19 13.7%
  • Rashaan Salaam, Colorado

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Troy Davis, Iowa State

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Warrick Dunn, Florida State

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ki-Jana Carter, Penn State

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Marshall Faulk, San Diego State

    Votes: 4 2.9%
  • Eric Bieniemy, Colorado

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Emmitt Smith, Florida

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Lawrence Phillips, Nebraska

    Votes: 2 1.4%

  • Total voters
    139
BUCKYLE;1344226; said:
So you're ignoring the OLine factor? Also, Beanie's injury was in his junior year. Why does it matter who he sat behind his freshman year? Beanie sat behind Pitt. Because Lawrence Phillips is better than Pitt, that makes Beanie not as good? Just askin'.

Also, to whomever put the tag down there...I have admitted as much in Beanie's thread.

There's no way you can discuss the oline. It is what it is,a variable. What if Ahman Green had Joe thomas,jake long,orlando pace etc etc...but he didn't.

What if Jim Brown wasn't 235lbs playing against nfl teams that didn't have very many guys that big on defense? Can you imagine the defenses he faced at syracuse?

What if Bo Jackson never was injured?

Green played behind one of the best college backs in the history of the game as a freshman and had over a 1000 yards rushing on a small amount of carries. It does make a difference,because most rb's wouldn't get 1000 yards rushing behind him. I like pittman,but there's no comparison with Phillips. Green was injured his sophmore year.

mross34;1344229; said:
As far as stats go, if you're going to measure stats, Ricky Williams has to be the pick.

Green played in an offense that exclusively ran the ball.


Yes he did..Look at the total amount of carries he had versus beanie..He also had 300 yards receiving on a run happy squad. Green-574 Carries,3880 yards,42 td's,Wells-569 Carries,3276yards,30 td's

Ricky Williams is not just about stats. If you watch his films he is one of the most punishing runners that ever played on a field. He wasn't a speed demon,and he played in a rough conference at the time. Ungodly vision,balance and toughness. If Ricky Williams would have played at OSU,he would be one of the poster boys for ohio state history.
 
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mross34;1344217; said:
There's some pretty lofty names on that list. If you think any of them are no brainers, you need to take off your homer glasses and look around at some of the other phenomenal backs on that list.

I took your advice and I looked again to see if I missed something--I didn't. :) If you changed the question to "runner" instead of RB, then I would reconsider my response.
 
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I'd have to say Beanie. Simply because of the fact that he can do everything that all of those other RB's can do just as well as them. But not all of those RB's can do everything he can do just as well. The closest one to him is AP.

Hurdle? Cake.
Stiff Arm? In his sleep.
Run over LB's? Easy.
Outrun DB's? Morgan :slappy: Trent & Craig Steltz...'nuff said.
Balance? Ask MSU's defense.
Spin Move? Shawn Crable's head is still spinnin'.

The coaches just don't use him as a receiver out of the backfield. But when they do, it's effective.
 
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Even though I voted for Beanie, the only thing that's holding him back is his lack of elite top speed. He has broken many runs, don't get me wrong, but he's also been caught from behind on many long runs. If he had the speed to break those, there would be no doubt that he's the top RB.
 
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powerlifter;1344382; said:
Oddly enough on any other rb poll in the world wells won't even be considered.

i was thinking about that when i read the thread yesterday. i tend to agree with you. do you think that is because he hasn't gotten much attention nationally because of the injuries and hasn't had a chance to run up the stats, do you think since we get to watch him week in week out we know better than the rest of the country, or do you think we are homers? i lean toward the 2nd choice. i don't think it is very homerish to include him with the greats. i didn't choose him, but i definitely think he deserves consideration.
 
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Peterson gets my vote
I'm not sure that any of the guys ran as nasty as he does/did. Peterson runs with the same intensity that Ray Lewis plays linebacker. Fastest big back too. Power. Speed. Intensity. Getting stiff armed by Beanie would not be any fun, but Peterson would run straight through and leave cleat marks on your back.
 
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fourteenandoh;1344400; said:
i was thinking about that when i read the thread yesterday. i tend to agree with you. do you think that is because he hasn't gotten much attention nationally because of the injuries and hasn't had a chance to run up the stats, do you think since we get to watch him week in week out we know better than the rest of the country, or do you think we are homers? i lean toward the 2nd choice. i don't think it is very homerish to include him with the greats. i didn't choose him, but i definitely think he deserves consideration.

Wells is everything as a buckeye fan we would love. Huge man,that's pretty fast,and amazing to watch. He makes us feel like USC fans did,when Bush was running the ball,because he can do something,when it shouldn't have been done. It is exciting to see such an elite athlete come along and know he's 100% buckeye. What's even more promising with Beanie is that you really can't look back and question him. It almost seems like he never really messed up(from the beginning of being here),other then a fumble here or there,that will happen in football,and we know that as fans. Aside from injuries(something that is very difficult to control) there's nothing really to fault him for. I could be wrong,but it's also time for him to leave as well. His personality on and off the field is going to be greatly missed. People realize this already.

The fact that he doesn't have the stats definitely hurts to a degree. That doesn't take away from his talent or potential at all. Think about how easy it is to remember stats from Steve Mcnair or Antwan Randel El,Marshall Faulk etc etc..That's what draws the attention to someone,and gives them the opportunity to become "media famous". Sometimes guys take advantage and sometimes they don't,but there is a certain aura of putting up big statistics,that are hard to deny,when it comes to distinguishing "who's best".

In the same regard I think people obviously see the flaws with living and dying with statistics so much,that they begin to not care enough about them (For the best rb discussion).

The reason I brought up Ahman Green was simply,because he is a fair comparison to Wells. Tough guy,who had a great college career,and even furthermore proved his legitimacy by actually producing in the NFL. His stats are better then Beanies. He won multiple national championships. That honestly is a hell of a resume isn't it?

If this was a Cornhusker board,and the same question was posed. How many votes would Beanie get? Honestly,that's just how being a college football fan is .

The argument over offensive lines will never hold weight. It definitely has a DRAMATIC impact on the running back's production,but as I stated above..That's just how it is. You can't go back in time and say Beanie is better,then Eddie just because of that. What happens if Eddie George was running the ball right now,and Beanie was running in 95? Eddie's pulling in a heisman..running for 314 against illi..Do you think people would honestly put Beanie ahead of him then? Nope..It's the "today factor"..Then you will have someone say "well beanie could run with more yards with that line"..That is a variable that cannot ever be proved.That does not mean it's not a realistic thought,but it makes it worthless in these kinds of discussion.

The problem I have with grading people on "potential",because of nagging injuries or not carrying the ball enough is this.

Maybe Al Bundy could have scored 5 touchdowns in one high school game if he had a better offensive line. Maybe if he didn't marry Peg he would have put Polk High on the map,and won the super bowl. What if they had a different offensive scheme that was more suitable for his running style?..The only facts you know are the ones that happened..4 touchdowns..One high school football game.
 
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powerlifter;1344715; said:
That is a variable that cannot ever be proved.That does not mean it's not a realistic thought,but it makes it worthless in these kinds of discussion.

This whole fucking discussion is a variable that cannot ever be proved. If it were provable, there would be no discussion. So O Line play can, and will be brought into it by anyone that thinks it realavant.
 
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BUCKYLE;1344861; said:
This whole fucking discussion is a variable that cannot ever be proved. If it were provable, there would be no discussion. So O Line play can, and will be brought into it by anyone that thinks it realavant.

You can only grade backs on what they have done. You can decide what back was better then any other,and form an opinion. However,going back in time and mixing and matching players is ignorant. Why not just open the greatest (insert position here)thread,and put them all on one team,and say fuck it? Of course great players will play better with other great players. Some are fortunate enough to have multiple great players around them. You can't fault them for that. If they had that blessing and performed better then another back who didn't have the talent around them,then it looks like they made a great choice at a great time for the school they attended. What if Beanie would have played at Texas this year? Would you like him more,because their oline is stronger,and he produced more or would you like him less,because he would be playing for Texas and not ohio state?
 
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powerlifter;1344868; said:
You can only grade backs on what they have. You can decide what back was better then any other,and form an opinion. However,going back in time and mixing and matching players is ignorant. Why not just open the greatest (insert position here)thread,and put them all on one team,and say fuck it?

Well, different backs had different Olines. To completely ignore that would be ignorant, imo. I don't know how you believe it should be tossed aside like it doesn't matter. It's like with Barry in the pro's...the one comment I've heard more than any other from not just fans, but broadcasters, and football analysts, is that given the Cowboy's Oline, Barry would've smashed Emmit's records...and I'd agree. I just don't know how you can take the one thing that can make a shitty RB good, and a good one GREAT, and toss it aside like it's irrelevant. I can't, and I won't.
 
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