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Accidental Racist by Brad Paisley and LL Cool J

DubCoffman62;2327993; said:
Slavery was a secondary issue of succession, they just wanted their own nation.

I don't understand why people keep falling for this revisionist history crap.

The entire secession itself started with the federal government not upholding extradition laws on law breaking slaves escaping from the south to the north.

The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."

This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.

The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

That's directly from South Carolina's December 4th, 1860 "Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union."

So yes, they wanted their own country. Why? Because they knew that their largest economic stimulator was going to be abolished sooner or later. It's the first clause of each secession document.

They're not that long and are public documents. I don't understand the cloudiness behind the claims for succession.
 
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As far as the song is concerned. Who cares. Two beyond rich guys out of touch.

I applaud Mr. Paisley for having the courage to give race relations and discussion a shot, even if I don't particularly care for his song.
 
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What pisses me off is he's giving a voice to all the fuck knuckles wearing rebel flags. If anyone knows where I can get a shirt made with William T. Sherman's face on it with the words "If you wear a rebel flag I'll burn your house to the ground", let me know. Don't worry guys, it's not hate, just my northern pride.
 
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BUCKYLE;2327838; said:
Besides being a [Mark May]ty song, it's absurd. I should be able to wear a swastika to celebrate my German heritage without anyone being offended. :lol:

At it's worst, the rebel flag represents oppression. At it's best, it represents treason.

Somewhere in the middle it represents mouth breathing and inbreeding.
 
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The KSB;2328107; said:
Different symbols mean different things to different people..


Proudly waving the colors of the Confederate flag around and spewing that "the south will rise again" bullshit, is a direct slap in the face to our current service members and veterans.

That, came from the mouth of a veteran.
 
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My main frustration is Southerners are convinced the only way to show pride in their region is with a Confederate flag. What about showing support for great natives like Martin Luther King, Jr. or Ida B. Wells? How about a Faulkner novel?
 
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Bucky32;2328171; said:
My main frustration is Southerners are convinced the only way to show pride in their region is with a Confederate flag. What about showing support for great natives like Martin Luther King, Jr. or Ida B. Wells? How about a Faulkner novel?

If they wore a MLK belt buckle, everyone would think they condoned abolition.
 
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Buckeneye;2328157; said:
Proudly waving the colors of the Confederate flag around and spewing that "the south will rise again" bull[Mark May], is a direct slap in the face to our current service members and veterans.

That, came from the mouth of a veteran.

:crazy: <-- That came from the keyboard of a veteran.
 
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The KSB;2328481; said:
:crazy: <-- That came from the keyboard of a veteran.

I can understand. I feel people are a bit too sensitive myself. Symbols themselves have no more power then what is given to them by those that uphold them.

That said. I do agree with the idea of waving 'non US' colors in the face of those who have served this country being somewhat disrespectful.
 
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Those of you who disliked the song should give a listen to Stephen Colbert's version of the song: "Oopsie Daisy Homophobe"

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BayBuck;2327922; said:
Oh come on, Skynyrd was flying the flag back in the 70s, there have been generations of southern rock fans (merged into country over the decades) who have grown up listening to Free Bird without any historical sense of its symbolic appropriateness. At some point aren't we all allowed to get over the Civil War and recognize that young'uns just like to party? Or come on up to the Confederate officers' cemetery on Johnson's Island (on the Bay) sometime, a place where the Stars and Bars can still fly, and see that something that's a part of our national history has changed over time. Or maybe Brad Paisley just wants to have slaves again, I don't know.

Nailed it! If only Yankees would let go of the civil war!
 
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BUCKYLE;2331421; said:
Nailed it! If only Yankees would let go of the civil war!


in all honesty, i hear more crap about the Civil War from northerners than I do southerners.

and it's probably about a 2 to 1 pace.

Northerners who openly think that the majority of southerners are backwoods, racist, rebel flag waiving rednecks clinging to the past.

vs.

Southerns who actually fly that thing, and say anything remotely resembling "the south will rise again:

it's over. it's been over for a long time now.
both sides need to just let it go.
 
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