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5 players suspended for 5 games in 2011 regular season (Appeal has been denied)

ORD_Buckeye;1839141; said:
2) After the Sugar Bowl, encourage them to look at their NFL prospects. If they choose to come back, make it clear that the suspension will not be appealed, and there is NO guarantee of their regaining their starting jobs when it is over.

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Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith said the school will appeal the suspensions.

Gene Smith is already on record as saying that they will be appealed. i.e. They have to follow through with the appeal.

Here's my link: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5950873&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

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Let me say (as my last commentary on this thread) that I don't see it as being at all germane whether the money these guys received went to pay for loaves of bread for the family or for hookers and blow. They broke the rules, suspensions have been handed out, and that's the end of the matter. They're kids who are being punished appropriately, and I don't think more or less highly of the young men, particularly, than I did two days ago.

I also don't think that "punishment" is warranted outside of the suspensions, except that whatever discipline Coach Tressel and his staff deem appropriate, I would support.

GO BUCKS!
 
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Steve19;1839120; said:
I listened to the Herbie interview. Clearly, he has issues with Pryor. But, stinging as it is to hear what he says, he is right about several things.

Addition by subtraction? It's too early to tell how this works out, but living your values always leads to strength in the end and the alternative leads to perdition.

Casting aspersions about a fellow Buckeye by wondering aloud "if (Pryor) was the ringleader"? Sorry, Herbie, but you are way over the line on that one.

There have been a few times in recent years, like the ESP!N debacle, when I was disappointed in some of the things that Herbie has said about Ohio State football coaches and players.

Yeah, we're all disappointed in these players. But, Herbie, hearing you bashing the young man, no matter what, was no less disappointing. You really need to pull yourself toward yourself and get your priorities straight.
Herbie has gone out of his way to criticize tOSU and tOSU coaches/players for years now. I hope this finally gets him blackballed from the program. Mentioning names on air last night (even if it was mentioned by others, e!spn is a much larger venue) without proof and then this speculation crap today...take a hike company man.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1839141; said:
Tossing this around for a little bit, my hopes would be as follows.

1) None of them play in the Sugar Bowl. Suspend them for team violations or just let them ride the pine. I'm ok with either scenario. If it means a beatdown by the SEC, so be it. We've survived those before.

2) After the Sugar Bowl, encourage them to look at their NFL prospects. If they choose to come back, make it clear that the suspension will not be appealed, and there is NO guarantee of their regaining their starting jobs when it is over.

3) Find out what the hell happened with those 6 compliance officers we have on staff, and make sure that it is not repeated.
i think i'm in agreement. i think i want all involved players to be suspended for the bowl game. i don't have all of the information, though. if it were up to me, the decision to suspend the players for the bowl game would hinge upon whether they truly sold their goods in order to help their families. having families in rough economic situations doesn't excuse breaking the rules, but it makes breaking the rules understandable.
 
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LordJeffBuck;1839101; said:
The reason that the players get in trouble for "selling stuff that belonged to them" is as follows ... if they were allowed to sell rings, trophies, jerseys, etc., then the school would have an incentive to provide the players with an inordinate amount of memorablia, i.e. gold pants for every win ... and every loss, too. Instead of Buckeye leaf stickers, how about silver medals instead? And let's loosen up the requirements so that everybody gets a couple of dozen per game.

At some point, the school's giving players "stuff" to commemorate accomplishments is a pretext for giving them commodities that can easily be turned into cash on the open market. Players would have an incentive to go to the schools that gave out the most goodies ... pretty soon you'd have a pretty obvious "pay for play" situation.

Correct.

And the thing that gives things like Gold Pants and Championship Rings value is who they belonged to.

A Championship Ring belonging to TP is significantly more valuable than one belonging to a Scrub who didn't play.

Not that tOSU has any Scrubs, mind you.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1839141; said:
1) None of them play in the Sugar Bowl. Suspend them for team violations or just let them ride the pine. I'm ok with either scenario. If it means a beatdown by the SEC, so be it. We've survived those before.

Agreed. Letting them play in the Bowl makes it seems as though OSU condones the behavior.

ORD_Buckeye;1839141; said:
2) After the Sugar Bowl, encourage them to look at their NFL prospects. If they choose to come back, make it clear that the suspension will not be appealed, and there is NO guarantee of their regaining their starting jobs when it is over.

Honestly, what are their realistic draft prospects going to be? Posey would probably be the first taken, of that group, but not sure what round it would be in......

ORD_Buckeye;1839141; said:
3) Find out what the hell happened with those 6 compliance officers we have on staff, and make sure that it is not repeated.

6 compliance officers trying to monitor 85 players 24 hours per day, 7 days a week? No way everything is going to be caught. To me, the blame here goes 100% to the players involved.....
 
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Yes.

Where are your seats located?
not good, not bad, id say.

i figure it costs me $300 a game, plus parking/extras (drink/hot dog, nachoes, etc) to go to a game. 4 tix @$75 or so a pop. toss in a healthy donation to secure my right to a seat. im sticking by my statement. if these kids play, my $2,500 or so bucks (for tickets) and a larger donation to secure the tickets are gone. with the current economy ive got better things to do with it than piss it down the drain to watch some maroons disgrace my university. hell id rather piss it away in cleveland or cincinnati on the turds or the bungles...
 
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NFBuck;1839160; said:
Herbie has gone out of his way to criticize tOSU and tOSU coaches/players for years now. I hope this finally gets him blackballed from the program. Mentioning names on air last night (even if it was mentioned by others, e!spn is a much larger venue) without proof and then this speculation crap today...take a hike company man.
It wasn't Herbie's fault. If the players had behaved we wouldn't be having this conversation. I think Herbie did what he should have done.
As far as mentioning the names, what's the big deal since they were already out? I'm sure that every one of you were hanging onto your chairs and wanting to hear the names.
 
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tsteele316;1837655; said:
really, the major issue is that they floated this out there without anything to back it, and only much later did they actually clarify that they had no real sources that would verify the rumor, and osu/shelly poe flat out denied it.

at all that been put up front in the beginning, they wouldn't look like the total amateurs that they are.

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Re: Shelly Poe is responsible for handling the communications and public relations for Ohio State football. She serves as chief liaison with the media and coordinates media operations.

OK, do they keep Shelly Poe totally in the dark or does she flat out lie when asked something?

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NFBuck;1839160; said:
Herbie has gone out of his way to criticize tOSU and tOSU coaches/players for years now. I hope this finally gets him blackballed from the program. Mentioning names on air last night (even if it was mentioned by others, e!spn is a much larger venue) without proof and then this speculation crap today...take a hike company man.

I think he's crossed over from keeping a distance from the program to feeling the need to actively attack it to prove his "objectivity." Combine this with his one-dimensional love for anything SEC or mid-major, and I think he's really a rather shallow sports journalist.

In the beginning, he was great because he confined himself solely to what he understood--what happens between the sidelines and willfully admitted that he wasn't too interested in the big picture. Now, he (or his ESPN bosses) wants to be the second coming of Howard Cosell, but he just doesn't have the journalistic chops to pull it off in any form other than a hollow and shallow imitation.
 
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