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2025 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, etc.

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DaddyBigBucks said:
BP seems to be resolving into two schools of thought on what Petitti wrote months ago (but was just reported).

1) Those who think Petitti’s job is to represent any B1G school who finds themselves in that situation
2) Those who think he should represent the 17 schools who were cheated

But the B1G isn’t one school or even 18 schools with one agenda. It is 18 schools, each of which sees this from multiple perspectives depending on who you ask.

How many schools will have their bottom line affected (and by how much) if the cheaters get what’s coming to them? More to the point, for how many schools will that marginal difference in revenue matter enough that they will swallow their pride and their morality and be ok with the cheaters getting away with it?

For some of the bottom feeders, maybe they think it would be enough. But as the conference shares revenue equally, how much of a difference would it be, really? It’s hard to know, but for most teams that is the only question.

For the Buckeyes however, the question is different. For them, the real question is, how does the marginal revenue hit of an irrelevant Michigan compare to what the cheating cost you?

Now some of you may be thinking, “What the cheating cost the Buckeyes is a sunk cost. It doesn’t matter, moving forward.” That’s a perfectly valid perspective if you don’t care about justice. That may be a harsh way to express it, but it’s true for all that.

For my part, I think the Buckeyes should care about justice, and so should (at the very least) the teams who also had something taken from them by the cheating. And those teams comprise a larger portion of the conference than the cheaters do.

To me, the only thing that would make this ok is if the omitted context from the slanted ESPN story includes the fact that Petitti had already seen the proposed punishment and was saying they shouldn’t get anything beyond that, in spite of their truculent behavior. Otherwise he needs to go.
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As we have been told over the past couple days since SCUM operatives dropped this turd that it's the commissioner's responsibility to represent to the NCAA. I asked the question if DeLany had to do something similar when the Ped State scandal broke. The answer was ... yes he did. Not sure what it would take for a conference commissioner to say "Fuck It, Let those assholes burn". As long as they value money over morals then this is what we get and deserve. :ohno:
 
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Woody1968 said:
Regardless of whether they would have to give it back or not, the B1G has an interest in minimizing the fallout.
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Not a financial one. When Michigan sucks, there's Oregon or USC or Washington or Penn State to come fill in for them. Nothing changes, except a school that hasn't been fucking relevant since the 90s (minus some cheating), and hasn't been national title relevant since the fucking 40s, FINALLY gets called what they actually are.
 
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Copied from 11W's board:

"Brohio" offers a glimpse behind the curtain:

To expand a bit on this, I want to revisit my conversations with the B1G for you all to provide more clarity. It may calm some of you down, it may make you more angry. But now it's out there for the general public to consume so lets talk about it more so we can get a clearer picture. I had multiple conversations with them, one person in particular, about a totally unrelated topic. They were completely unaware that I was "Brohio", a message board contributor, or anything of the like. With this being the case their guard seemed to be down and they would respond freely to the probing questions I tried peppering into what were mutliple conversations totally unrelated to the sign stealing scandal without them becoming suspicious. And again, this person is as important to this scenario as you can possibly be. 22Buck is and has been aware of all of this since it all started happening in March and concluded in June.

So let's chat. I'm seeing a lot of speculation that this is a calculated B1G tactic to protect one of their major brands. Conversely, I've seen some say this is a false flag effort to make Michigan feel that the B1G is trying to give their best effort to help them when they actually want justice to be served. Well at the core of it, and I mean the real core not what the B1G says on record, it's neither of those things. And here's the part that will probably be pretty polarizing. The B1G's tone on this behind closed doors despite what the letter may suggest is neither support of Michigan, nor is it a pursuit of cheater's justice as I stated in June. What is the B1G's tone on this when they don't think anyone outside the conference is listening? It's apathy. Glaring apathy. if you're a Michigan fan taking a victory lap because of this illusion that the B1G is fighting for you or if you're a rival fan or conspiracy theorist smugly saying this is all a smokescreen, you're both wrong. When the biggest names at the B1G are speaking freely with no media trained guardrails or fear of being quoted, they want this all to be over. They just don't care anymore. Outside of some half-assed prepared statement when the conclusion of this saga comes, they aren't going to pursue any sort of white knighting for Michigan if the sanctions are extreme and they aren't going to be up in arms if Michigan gets away scott free. I repeat, the B1G does not care either way. It's so low on their priority list they'd need to dig a subfloor under the basement to store it.
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Because how people really truly feel and what they say publicly is a disconnect as old as time. Welcome to corporate America. It's not unique to the B1G or even Michigan. I have become friendly with the OSU beat writers. I had a conversation with one where he lamented how worried he was about Sayin and Keinholz after what he's seen. Less than 2 hours later, he's publicly stating the exact opposite. Same concept. People need to perform the duties of their job. That's the motivation.
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Not a financial one. When Michigan sucks, there's Oregon or USC or Washington or Penn State to come fill in for them. Nothing changes, except a school that hasn't been fucking relevant since the 90s (minus some cheating), and hasn't been national title relevant since the fucking 40s, FINALLY gets called what they actually are.
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Nobody said it is purely financial based. That said, the conference probably does suffer some reputational costs that manifest in lost revenue when a scandal of this magnitude happens.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Not a financial one. When Michigan sucks, there's Oregon or USC or Washington or Penn State to come fill in for them. Nothing changes, except a school that hasn't been fucking relevant since the 90s (minus some cheating), and hasn't been national title relevant since the fucking 40s, FINALLY gets called what they actually are.
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From 2005 to 2024 - Michigan had 214 wins, 96 losses, so they played just a shade below 70%.
BuckeyeNation27 said:
Not a financial one. When Michigan sucks, there's Oregon or USC or Washington or Penn State to come fill in for them. Nothing changes, except a school that hasn't been fucking relevant since the 90s (minus some cheating), and hasn't been national title relevant since the fucking 40s, FINALLY gets called what they actually are.
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So I went to Staten and did the math. Michigan 2024 to 2005 won 69% of their game, USC 73%, Penn State 72%, Oregon 75%. I think it says more about Ohio State's record over the same time frame than anything else. So all four teams are relatively close with the possible exception of the Oregon. My point? Michigan is only "crap" in comparison to Ohio State's record over the same period.
 
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cincibuck said:
From 2005 to 2024 - Michigan had 214 wins, 96 losses, so they played just a shade below 70%.

So I went to Staten and did the math. Michigan 2024 to 2005 won 69% of their game, USC 73%, Penn State 72%, Oregon 75%. I think it says more about Ohio State's record over the same time frame than anything else. So all four teams are relatively close with the possible exception of the Oregon. My point? Michigan is only "crap" in comparison to Ohio State's record over the same period.
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Now take out 2021-2023 when they cheated and re-crunch the numbers
 
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cincibuck said:
From 2005 to 2024 - Michigan had 214 wins, 96 losses, so they played just a shade below 70%.

So I went to Staten and did the math. Michigan 2024 to 2005 won 69% of their game, USC 73%, Penn State 72%, Oregon 75%. I think it says more about Ohio State's record over the same time frame than anything else. So all four teams are relatively close with the possible exception of the Oregon. My point? Michigan is only "crap" in comparison to Ohio State's record over the same period.
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To be blunt, it is nauseating that you included the years that they cheated

When you look at 2005 to 2021, they are at 63.5%, which is below Wisconsin and MSU in addition to those that you mention
 
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DaddyBigBucks said:
BP seems to be resolving into two schools of thought on what Petitti wrote months ago (but was just reported).

1) Those who think Petitti’s job is to represent any B1G school who finds themselves in that situation
2) Those who think he should represent the 17 schools who were cheated

But the B1G isn’t one school or even 18 schools with one agenda. It is 18 schools, each of which sees this from multiple perspectives depending on who you ask.

How many schools will have their bottom line affected (and by how much) if the cheaters get what’s coming to them? More to the point, for how many schools will that marginal difference in revenue matter enough that they will swallow their pride and their morality and be ok with the cheaters getting away with it?

For some of the bottom feeders, maybe they think it would be enough. But as the conference shares revenue equally, how much of a difference would it be, really? It’s hard to know, but for most teams that is the only question.

For the Buckeyes however, the question is different. For them, the real question is, how does the marginal revenue hit of an irrelevant Michigan compare to what the cheating cost you?

Now some of you may be thinking, “What the cheating cost the Buckeyes is a sunk cost. It doesn’t matter, moving forward.” That’s a perfectly valid perspective if you don’t care about justice. That may be a harsh way to express it, but it’s true for all that.

For my part, I think the Buckeyes should care about justice, and so should (at the very least) the teams who also had something taken from them by the cheating. And those teams comprise a larger portion of the conference than the cheaters do.

To me, the only thing that would make this ok is if the omitted context from the slanted ESPN story includes the fact that Petitti had already seen the proposed punishment and was saying they shouldn’t get anything beyond that, in spite of their truculent behavior. Otherwise he needs to go.
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Well said. My $0.02.

I would assume Ohio State cares because fuck those assholes up north.

Penn State & Michigan State should care to either become rivaled or to replace their in-state rivals in the hierarchy.

Indiana & Illinois should care as they have an opportunity to possibly matter in the B1G with a heavily fucked school up north.

Maybe Minnesota cares...Purdue probably doesn't. The 3 west coast teams might care but UCLA probably doesn't even know football season is close to starting again.

TCU cares and they care a lot. I think some SEC/ACC schools care, too.
 
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