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2025 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, etc.

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BuckeyeNation27 said:
A reminder to calm some nerves (mostly mine)......Michigan's strategy has seemingly been to get their fanbase believing that nothing happened, so when penalties hit the fans will be all pissed off about "overreach". You don't get that reaction from the fanbase without first telling them that nothing is coming. So them saying behind a paywall that the penalties are light fits right in line with that.

But if they get off easy, I'm going to be sick to my stomach.
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"We know and can prove", "We know and can prove", "We know and can prove"...............
 
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DaBuckMD 45 minutes ago
Apologies if already posted but threads moving fast and not a good day for me to keep up. From RCMB:
fwiw, here is the Spiro summary posted on Bucknuts:
"Apparently Spiro on spaces last night had some not so good news saying Thamel will report the punishments later this week and they will be a 14 mill fine will be the WORST of it. He’s normally careful with his reporting so this has me concerned. It was behind a paywall but reportedly he said this-
Short version
News SHOULD come this week, Thamel will break it. (Affirmatively reporting this, barring any unforeseen issues)
Harbaugh and Stallions get crushed.
$14 mil fine.
2 games for Sherrone.
And that’s it.
To be clear, he is not REPORTING the punishments. He is saying this what a very very good source is telling him."
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Never figured out how seriously to take Spiro. Here's hoping the answer will be 'not at all'.
 
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If that's the punishment then they should just get rid of any "failure to monitor" and "lack of institutional control" rules all together. This is TEXTBOOK both of those being broken big time. Basically they are setting the precedent that if the whole program is in on the cheating, but the coaches involved happen to bolt before any punishment can be dished out, then the program itself gets off with a monetary slap on the wrist and that's it. NCAA is a clown shoes organization.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
If that's the punishment then they should just get rid of any "failure to monitor" and "lack of institutional control" rules all together. This is TEXTBOOK both of those being broken big time. Basically they are setting the precedent that if the whole program is in on the cheating, but the coaches involved happen to bolt before any punishment can be dished out, then the program itself gets off with a monetary slap on the wrist and that's it. NCAA is a clown shoes organization.
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Yeah, that's saying "We acknowledge you broke the rules and cheated, but we'll let you keep the fruits of that cheating." Everyone would start cheating then.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I just can't think the NCAA is going to go through all this for that light of a punishment.

If they do then we know 99% of all this smoke we've been hearing was pure bullshit but let's see.
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That's what has kept my hopes up. Why go through all this if you're not going to levy some significant punishments? Also, why would Michigan take this all the way to a hearing for less than 5 mil per cheating season?
 
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Woody1968 said:
Yeah, that's saying "We acknowledge you broke the rules and cheated, but we'll let you keep the fruits of that cheating." Everyone would start cheating then.
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I bet if this is really the case the NCAA gives some BS "we can't punish the current players and coaches who did nothing wrong" (even though Sherrone WAS involved) rationalization. When has "think of the innocent's!" Ever mattered to the NCAA before?
 
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cincibuck said:
Maybe colleges - particularly Big Ten schools - are far more worried about the future of research and the money it brings in. Both Ohio State and Michigan are under pressure to cut DEI programs at the same time they are facing loss of research grant revenue. Perhaps their presidents and trustees are far more concerned about the attack on their control of academics and research than they are of Michigan football getting the punishment it deserves.

The Top 25​

As it has for decades, Johns Hopkins University headed the list of academic institutions, with $3.42 billion in total R and D, over $2 billion of which goes to its Applied Physics Laboratory. The rest of the top 5 were:

University of California, San Francisco $1.806 billion

University of Pennsylvania $1.791 billion

University of Michigan, Ann Arbor $1.771 billion

University of Washington, Seattle $1.560 billion

The remainder of the top 10 were:

University of California, Los Angeles $1.536 billion

University of California, San Diego $1.533 billion

University of Wisconsin-Madison $1.524 billion

Duke University $1.391 billion

Stanford University $1.385 billion

Rounding out ranks #11-25 were:

Ohio State University $1.363 billion

University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill $1.361 billion

Harvard University $1.308 billion

Cornell University $1.300 billion

New York University $1.276 billion

University of Pittsburgh $1.252 billion

Georgia Institute of Technology $1.231

Columbia University $1.231 billion

University of Maryland $1.229 billion

University of Minnesota, Twin Cities $1.202 billion

Yale University $1.191 billion

University of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center $1.183 billion

Texas A&M University and Health Science Center $1.153 billion

Vanderbilt University and Vanderbilt University Medical Center $1.086 billion

University of Florida $1.086 billion
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The presidents and trustees have fuck all to do with the punishment.
 
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I think a deep breath is in order. They're going to get hit hard. This lesser punishment b.s. is being thrown out there to feed their sense of unjust grievance and raise scUM fans' hopes so that scUM loving pundits can seem less ridiculous when they complain about how unfair what actually comes down is. Every precedent ever, and the long delay, point in favor of the hammer coming down.

My only reason for concern would be both conspiratorial and political, so I won't post it.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
I think a deep breath is in order. They're going to get hit hard. This lesser punishment b.s. is being thrown out there to feed their sense of unjust grievance and raise scUM fans' hopes so that scUM loving pundits can seem less ridiculous when they complain about how unfair what actually comes down is. Every precedent ever, and the long delay, point in favor of the hammer coming down.

My only reason for concern would be both conspiratorial and political, so I won't post it.
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LOgically you'd think that if the punishment was really just going to be that fine and the 2 games for Sherrone than this woulda been settled awhile ago and they wouldn't be going through this drug out process. Problem is there is no logic when it comes to how the NCAA operates
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
If that's the punishment then they should just get rid of any "failure to monitor" and "lack of institutional control" rules all together. This is TEXTBOOK both of those being broken big time. Basically they are setting the precedent that if the whole program is in on the cheating, but the coaches involved happen to bolt before any punishment can be dished out, then the program itself gets off with a monetary slap on the wrist and that's it. NCAA is a clown shoes organization.
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But my thing is who cares about any of that shit except the monetary part? My thinking for a while is that it has to be $$$$$. Now, how do you do that so an alum doesn't just pay it? Can you limit NIL or rev share? Failure to Monitor Or LOIC are the crimes, I think the delay is how do you hold them accountable?
 
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AKAK said:
But my thing is who cares about any of that shit except the monetary part? My thinking for a while is that it has to be $$$$$. Now, how do you do that so an alum doesn't just pay it? Can you limit NIL or rev share? Failure to Monitor Or LOIC are the crimes, I think the delay is how do you hold them accountable?
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There has to be some form of postseason ban. I don't think they'd hammer down with anything more than 2 year, but make it 2 years starting in 2026, that hurts more with current younger players and the current in process recruiting class than a 2 year ban starting in 2025. Also if it's proven that Sherrone was deeply involved or at least knew of everything but kept quiet they need to hammer down enough to where scUM is pretty much forced to cut him loose, this would hit the hardest on top of a 2 year ban because they would then be stuck with a extreme lame duck at head coach until that ban was over.
 
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