2024 College Football Playoffs Discussion (12 Team Format)

[muffler dragon]

Didn't realize that the Triple Option podcast has Ingram, Urban, and Stone in it.
Listening now, and I sweat to Gawd that Urban is channeling @Jaxbuck in the first 10 minutes.

 

[woofermazing]

Maximizing shareholder value. They own all the rights to the SEC's product, and executive management is carrying out their sole legal fiduciary duty to maximize shareholder value. We got off the plantation when we founded the BTN and made it all the way to Canada two years ago when we told them to go fuck themselves and went with FOX-NBC-CBS. It's entirely predictable that they demonize the B1G. The ACC, however, is all-in with espn, and I'm amazed that they don't sue over espn's harmful lobbying to favor SEC teams over ACC teams. Bama over FSU last year. Tennessee over Miami this year. Demonizing the selection of SMU over giving that at-large spot to an SEC team.

This, but I also suspect that ESPN saw metrics at some point that SEC fans were the ones tuning into their weekday content the most, so they doubled down on catering to them.

 

[Zurp]

ESPN having pretty much all control over the CFP and the narrative is absolutely part of making the sport less appealing.

I wouldn’t doubt if the committee stuck SMU in there this year cause they knew they likely would get pummeled and in the future they can use that as a reason to put some mediocre 3 loss SEC teams in instead of a 2 or maybe even 1 loss ACC or Big 12 teams. SMU landing on their face sets the tone for that for the rest of time.

Hm. Interesting thought about SMU. What about Indiana? Can we guess the committee can use Indiana as the example to exclude other teams performing way ahead of their trend? “That team is a Perennial 7-loss team. Just because they have 11 wins this year isn’t enough to take them. Remember what Indiana did to us?”
Basically, the playoffs are going to be SEC and other power teams only.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I read an article the other day that said the CFP turns power for scheduling/format decisions over to the B1G and SEC in 2026.

Right now all 10 conferences and ND have to unanimously agree on things. Makes a lot of sense on why some things are in there now that won't likely be in there in a couple of years.

It summarized teh whole thing pretty well; The CFP we see now was formed as a concept when there were 5 quasi balanced power conferences. By the time that idea became reality, we have two super conferences, ND and a bunch of mid majors.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I read an article the other day that said the CFP turns power for scheduling/format decisions over to the B1G and SEC in 2026.

Right now all 10 conferences and ND have to unanimously agree on things. Makes a lot of sense on why some things are in there now that won't likely be in there in a couple of years.

It summarized teh whole thing pretty well; The CFP we see now was formed as a concept when there were 5 quasi balanced power conferences. By the time that idea became reality, we have two super conferences, ND and a bunch of mid majors.

And I'm sure the priests over in South Bend are already furiously spinning their webs and trying to play the B1G and SEC off each other to ensure some format that will keep ND independent. If there's one are that the B1G and SEC should be able to come to agreement on it's forcing ND into a conference.

 

[Jaxbuck]

And I'm sure the priests over in South Bend are already furiously spinning their webs and trying to play the B1G and SEC off each other to ensure some format that will keep ND independent. If there's one are that the B1G and SEC should be able to come to agreement on it's forcing ND into a conference.

I don't think that ever happens.

Take the 18 team B1G, the 16 team SEC, ND and the three "names" from the ACC (Miami, FSU and Clemson) and you have 38 teams you could make a football only "Heavyweight" division out of. Make them all play each other all year, no more FCS OOC bullshit and as a reward for that kind of schedule, you lock out the middle and light weights or make them all have play ins for a couple of spots to a 12 team tourney.

say 8 of the 12 spots go to the heavyweight division teams the rest play in each other the live long day for 4 spots that get pole axed in some heavyweights backyard in the first round.

 

[BB73]

I don't think that ever happens.

Take the 18 team B1G, the 16 team SEC, ND and the three "names" from the ACC (Miami, FSU and Clemson) and you have 38 teams you could make a football only "Heavyweight" division out of. Make them all play each other all year, no more FCS OOC bullshit and as a reward for that kind of schedule, you lock out the middle and light weights or make them all have play ins for a couple of spots to a 12 team tourney.

say 8 of the 12 spots go to the heavyweight division teams the rest play in each other the live long day for 4 spots that get pole axed in some heavyweights backyard in the first round.

I don’t think that ever happens.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I don’t think that ever happens.

me neither



It's just what I would do

 

[BB73]

me neither



It's just what I would do

If only you were CzarBuck.

 

[Zurp]

We (nerds on Buckeye Planet) have been pushing for that since the start of the playoffs.
"Oh, let's make these at neutral sites. Hey! We already have a bunch of neutral sites in the bowl games. Let's play the playoffs at the bowl games. That way, we maintain that we actually care about the fake history that is the bowl system."
"But those bowl games are all in the south and west. What about something in the midwest?"
"There are no major bowl games in the midwest."
"They don't have to be in fuckin' bowl games! Play in Indy, Detroit, or Minneapolis."
"Nah."

I think I am still shocked that they made Tennessee go north to the cold. I predicted (wrongly, I admit) that some magic would always keep the big southern teams from coming north. Maybe the committee didn't have enough magic to switch Ohio State with Tennessee in the rankings.

Responding to myself makes it sound like I'm only talking to myself, but here's a thread that gives one SEC fan's opinion, which is different from mine:

CFB or New Year's Bowl Game?

I think I know most people's answer. We would make it to the CFB. However,lots of volnation are saying this set us back and will adversely impact our recruiting, play,etc.

www.volnation.com

All of the first round CFP games were won by the home team. The first round needs to be moved to neutral sites. Some of the lesser bowls could serve that purpose.

So... because the home teams won, we need to move the games to neutral sites. That oughta remove any advantage the higher seeds maybe deserved...

 

[Gizmo]

I don't think that ever happens.

Take the 18 team B1G, the 16 team SEC, ND and the three "names" from the ACC (Miami, FSU and Clemson) and you have 38 teams you could make a football only "Heavyweight" division out of. Make them all play each other all year, no more FCS OOC bullshit and as a reward for that kind of schedule, you lock out the middle and light weights or make them all have play ins for a couple of spots to a 12 team tourney.

say 8 of the 12 spots go to the heavyweight division teams the rest play in each other the live long day for 4 spots that get pole axed in some heavyweights backyard in the first round.

Trim off 2 of the trash (NW and Purdue?) and it's 36 teams. 4 9team conferences with 8 in conference games and 3 rotational OOC games (1 against a team from the other 3 conferences, maybe reverse standings from last season, where 1 plays 9, 2 plays 8, etc.) played to begin the season, as warm-up games. Winner of each conference play in a 4 team playoff, others can go bowling, or fuck themselves, whatever. Matchups pre-determined each season, whether fixed or rotational. All that matters is winning your conference, and there's a clear cut winner, since everyone plays everyone else, so you can use traditional tie-breakers.

Will never happen, but I think it's the only thing that makes sense to determine an actual Champion/Playoff bracket. Let the other teams (G5) play for their own NIT type championship.

 

[BB73]

I would just like to once again point out that espn will be hyping Jeanty’s run at the ‘single-season’ rushing record that Barry Sanders set in his 1988 Heisman year. They will show that he needs 132 yards to ‘break the record‘ and have a countdown yardage tracker throughout the Pedster game on New Year’s Eve to keep folks interested.

But Sanders‘ total of 2,628 yards is the NCAA’s ‘official’ total for that season, set in 11 games, and doesn’t include the 222 he got in the Holiday Bowl. So he really rushed for 2,850 in 12 games, an average of 237.5 per game.

Jeanty has had a helluva season, but he’s currently at 2,497 in 13 games, an average of 192.1 per game. It’s a great season, but not one that should knock Sanders out of the record book, since he’s getting 45 less yards per game. I’m actually hoping the Pedsters keep him at or under 130 yards so the record isn’t ‘broken’, which describes the NCAA‘s outlook on official records.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

I would just like to once again point out that espn will be hyping Jeanty’s run at the ‘single-season’ rushing record that Barry Sanders set in his 1988 Heisman year. They will show that he needs 132 yards to ‘break the record‘ and have a countdown yardage tracker throughout the Pedster game on New Year’s Eve to keep folks interested.

But Sanders‘ total of 2,628 yards is the NCAA’s ‘official’ total for that season, set in 11 games, and doesn’t include the 222 he got in the Holiday Bowl. So he really rushed for 2,850 in 12 games, an average of 237.5 per game.

Jeanty has had a helluva season, but he’s currently at 2,497 in 13 games, an average of 192.1 per game. It’s a great season, but not one that should knock Sanders out of the record book, since he’s getting 45 less yards per game. I’m actually hoping the Pedsters keep him at or under 130 yards so the record isn’t ‘broken’, which describes the NCAA‘s outlook on official records.

It makes no sense why the NCAA doesn't retroactively count bowl game stats if they're going to count them moving forward towards "all time" records

 

[Jaxbuck]

It makes no sense why the NCAA doesn't retroactively count bowl game stats if they're going to count them moving forward towards "all time" records

It’s the NCAA

 

[Zurp]

It makes no sense why the NCAA doesn't retroactively count bowl game stats if they're going to count them moving forward towards "all time" records

I had always thought the NCAA did go back and add those to the players' stats, thus improving the records. But it was more of an assumption on my part than any intelligent knowledge.
Though I wasn't born until 15 years later, this seems a lot like Roger Maris's 1961 season. I always thought the people who wanted Maris's record to have the asterisk were the old geezers who didn't want Babe Ruth to lose that spot. I never had a strong opinion of Sanders, but I'm old, now, so I hope he can hold onto his record, or at least throw an asterisk on Jeanty's record, if he gets it.