Captain Buckeye
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Meanwhile we will play 1 of them.
I’m serious unless you’re elite elite I wouldn’t come here as a WR because you will not play.
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I’m serious unless you’re elite elite I wouldn’t come here as a WR because you will not play.
Not to mention how short it leaves you in season when injuries occur. We are a MH Jr injury away from 1999's offense.
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I know the run game has been pretty bad, and I'm in no way defending it. But when looking at the best teams in the country, only scUM is actually having sustained success running the ball this year.
For reference, OSU is currently averaging 4.4yds/car.
Bama has always been known for their OL and RBs, yet they average only 3.7yds/car this year. And to make it worse, they averaged .9yds/car(you read that right, and if you don't believe me look it up yourself) against aTm. And only 2.9yds/car against Ole Miss. Those are 2 teams that'll be in 3rd tier bowl games.
Georgia is averaging 4.6yds/car. Yet had 3.5 and 3.6 against Ball St and Auburn respectively(yes, Ball State held them to 99 rushing yards).
Ped St is averaging 4.2yds/car. And had 3.8 and 3.4 against Iowa(that's fair) and NW respectively.
So yes, the OSU rushing game is not in a good spot. They have the least amount of rushing yards of teams in the top 10, yet have an average yards per carry on pace with the best of them. And I'd put their passing game as easily one of the best. As bad as the OL play is, I wonder if the play calling being so predictable also is a big reason the run game is failing as well. If my couch coordinator self with far less knowledge than even a D2 DC can see that there's a stretch run on 2nd down than DCs making millions know that. This team reminds many of us of the 2018 offense, and that offense averaged 4.3yds/car, so not much different than this year. And that team was an NC caliber team, but tripped over themselves against Purdue. McCord can put up stats if Day opens up the playbook and let's McCord sling it around and then throw the defense off with running. But forcing the run just because you want to be "tough", no longer makes sense. So what a 100yo man label's the team as soft. The wins can make that statement irrelevant.
For reference, OSU is currently averaging 4.4yds/car.
Bama has always been known for their OL and RBs, yet they average only 3.7yds/car this year. And to make it worse, they averaged .9yds/car(you read that right, and if you don't believe me look it up yourself) against aTm. And only 2.9yds/car against Ole Miss. Those are 2 teams that'll be in 3rd tier bowl games.
Georgia is averaging 4.6yds/car. Yet had 3.5 and 3.6 against Ball St and Auburn respectively(yes, Ball State held them to 99 rushing yards).
Ped St is averaging 4.2yds/car. And had 3.8 and 3.4 against Iowa(that's fair) and NW respectively.
So yes, the OSU rushing game is not in a good spot. They have the least amount of rushing yards of teams in the top 10, yet have an average yards per carry on pace with the best of them. And I'd put their passing game as easily one of the best. As bad as the OL play is, I wonder if the play calling being so predictable also is a big reason the run game is failing as well. If my couch coordinator self with far less knowledge than even a D2 DC can see that there's a stretch run on 2nd down than DCs making millions know that. This team reminds many of us of the 2018 offense, and that offense averaged 4.3yds/car, so not much different than this year. And that team was an NC caliber team, but tripped over themselves against Purdue. McCord can put up stats if Day opens up the playbook and let's McCord sling it around and then throw the defense off with running. But forcing the run just because you want to be "tough", no longer makes sense. So what a 100yo man label's the team as soft. The wins can make that statement irrelevant.
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YPC can be somewhat deceiving in itself if we are getting granular about it.
3rd and 1 on the goal line, you get the 1 yard. That looks bad on YPC but it's 100% successful and productive.
I think one of the advanced metrics places does something called success yards or yards available? Something like that. Whatever the best name for it is, this team sucks at (and has for some time now) getting the yards it needs, when it needs them.
They don't have to be a run machine because, if you don't have a run first QB, almost no one is that run heavy anymore (like Wisky and tsun do). OSU should absolutely lead with the pass to set up the run. 100% in agreement with that. The ypc can be low as long as red zone TD percentage is high and 3rd down conversion % is high.
The biggest issue(s) are the stalls on 3rd down and in the red zone that have plagued Day's offense since 2018. It's a mix of play calling, predictability and degradation of OL play over time imo. 2019 the OL play was as good as it ever could be but we still lost that CFP game because of red zone stalls (not just bad officiating). Now, 5 years later the same scheme issues are there and the talent on OL is at an all time low.
We can all see it, and back to the original point, ypc isn't the right diagnostic tool to start to tell people what is wrong. A stethoscope doesn't give much insight into brain damage for example.
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1926Buckeyes
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Honestly I think worrying about getting backups more time right now is strange. If OSU wasn't playing any backups, I'd be worried, but they are. 2-3 RBs and TEs, Tate and XJ are getting 10+ snaps a game (although Ballard needs more), and the DEs, LBs and DBs all have backups getting 15 snaps a game. I don't know many teams that give their backups 40% of the snaps.
I want the coaches concerned about winning the game that week. Trying to look forward to next season by forcing guys in who aren't ready is the way you lose.
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knuckifyoubuck
All-American
Pray for no injuries.
Press Coverage: Ohio State Needs Better Execution in Run Game, Offensive Line Starters Unlikely to Change, Emeka Egbuka Shouldn’t Be Out Long
Ohio State needs better execution in the run game but isn’t likely to change its starting offensive line, and Emeka Egbuka's injury isn‘t expected to keep him out for long.www.elevenwarriors.com
PRESS COVERAGE: OHIO STATE NEEDS BETTER EXECUTION IN RUN GAME, OFFENSIVE LINE STARTERS UNLIKELY TO CHANGE, EMEKA EGBUKA SHOULDN’T BE OUT LONG
Five games into the regular season, Ohio State is still searching for answers in the run game.
After averaging less than two yards per carry against Maryland, Ryan Day said Tuesday he believes Ohio State has the personnel to have a successful run game, but better execution is needed, including from a coaching perspective.
While some have called for changes to Ohio State’s offensive line personnel, Day said there’s a gap between Ohio State's starters on the offensive line and its backups on that unit, leaving even bigger questions about the Buckeyes’ depth up front given the substandard performance by the starting five so far.
Just sayin': That's how bad the OL recruiting has been the last few years.....
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Reading the 11W recap of interviews from yesterday and the OL coach/run game coordinator mentioned the word "scheme" multiple times.
We can all read different things into that, and I am sure we will, but mid way through a season I don't think anyone can see that as a positive.
We can all read different things into that, and I am sure we will, but mid way through a season I don't think anyone can see that as a positive.
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ummmm
just four teams in FBS have fewer runs of 10+ yards than Ohio State does through nearly half the season.
just four teams in FBS have fewer runs of 10+ yards than Ohio State does through nearly half the season.
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It's not just a short-yardage issue.
Ohio State is 5-0, coming off a 20-point victory over a previously undefeated Big Ten opponent, ranked third in both major polls, fourth in SP+, and ranks in the top 10 in both yards and points allowed. If you had told me ahead of the season that supporters of the Scarlet and Gray were freaking out right now, I would have surely shaken my head and spewed some four-letter words about the fanbase's unrealistic expectations.
As regular readers of Film Study will (hopefully) tell you, we try to be objective in this space, taking the hot air out of many arguments and providing calm-bordering-on-sterile analysis.
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But the Buckeye run game is a real problem.
Despite all the lofty rankings listed above, one that can't be ignored is the fact that just four teams in FBS have fewer runs of 10+ yards than Ohio State does through nearly half the season.
Questions arose after underwhelming performances against Indiana and Youngstown State, but gaining 204 rushing yards on Western Kentucky seemed to show that an offensive line with three new starters had found some chemistry. One week later, TreVeyon Henderson's 61-yard touchdown run overshadowed an otherwise disappointing night on the ground, as the visitors averaged just over two yards on all other carries inside Notre Dame Stadium.
It was a Maryland run defense that now ranks 27th nationally which showed that not only does Ohio State still have issues running the football on 3rd-&-1, but on 1st-&-10 as well. The Buckeyes probably didn't expect to have so much trouble running on a unit that surrendered 4.3 yards per carry to Towson in its season opener, even without Henderson in the lineup.
But the Buckeyes didn't tally just 62 yards on 33 carries because Chip Trayanum was the starter. Rather, it was a fundamental issue with the blocking that allowed the Terps to erase almost every one of his attempts.
Most OSU fans know that the run game is built around wide and mid-zone runs, aiming to hit the C or D gaps with a chance of cutting the ball back inside when the defense overplays the scheme. But while zone-blocking theoretically allows any play to be successful, given its simplicity, it only works when the players execute it properly.
Against Maryland, that simply wasn't happening.
Ryan Day and Justin Frye are both noted pupils of Chip Kelly, who has long taught zone-blocking to his linemen by assigning numbers to defenders rather than learning countless defensive fronts. While it's not confirmed that this is still being taught inside the Woody Hayes Athletic Center in 2023, there's little reason to believe otherwise.
In this system, the center identifies the player for which he will be responsible and assigns him the number 0. From there, the play-side guard's man becomes the next defender outside, regardless if it's a down lineman or a linebacker, and gives him #1 while the tackle takes #2, and the tight end #3...........
It's not as if the players themselves aren't capable, though. Despite the run game struggles, the OSU offensive line has been solid in pass protection, with five of its seven sacks allowed this season coming on plays in which McCord simply held the ball too long.
But unless Day, Frye, and the rest of the offensive staff show they can fill the gap left by the loss of Wilson and his decades of experience, no amount of effort will make up for what plagues the Ohio State running game at this point. While this Saturday's opponent, Purdue, ranks just 85th in the nation when it comes to stopping the run, Penn State and its sixth-ranked such unit is looming on the horizon.
www.elevenwarriors.com
Ohio State is 5-0, coming off a 20-point victory over a previously undefeated Big Ten opponent, ranked third in both major polls, fourth in SP+, and ranks in the top 10 in both yards and points allowed. If you had told me ahead of the season that supporters of the Scarlet and Gray were freaking out right now, I would have surely shaken my head and spewed some four-letter words about the fanbase's unrealistic expectations.
As regular readers of Film Study will (hopefully) tell you, we try to be objective in this space, taking the hot air out of many arguments and providing calm-bordering-on-sterile analysis.
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But the Buckeye run game is a real problem.
Despite all the lofty rankings listed above, one that can't be ignored is the fact that just four teams in FBS have fewer runs of 10+ yards than Ohio State does through nearly half the season.
Questions arose after underwhelming performances against Indiana and Youngstown State, but gaining 204 rushing yards on Western Kentucky seemed to show that an offensive line with three new starters had found some chemistry. One week later, TreVeyon Henderson's 61-yard touchdown run overshadowed an otherwise disappointing night on the ground, as the visitors averaged just over two yards on all other carries inside Notre Dame Stadium.
It was a Maryland run defense that now ranks 27th nationally which showed that not only does Ohio State still have issues running the football on 3rd-&-1, but on 1st-&-10 as well. The Buckeyes probably didn't expect to have so much trouble running on a unit that surrendered 4.3 yards per carry to Towson in its season opener, even without Henderson in the lineup.
But the Buckeyes didn't tally just 62 yards on 33 carries because Chip Trayanum was the starter. Rather, it was a fundamental issue with the blocking that allowed the Terps to erase almost every one of his attempts.
Most OSU fans know that the run game is built around wide and mid-zone runs, aiming to hit the C or D gaps with a chance of cutting the ball back inside when the defense overplays the scheme. But while zone-blocking theoretically allows any play to be successful, given its simplicity, it only works when the players execute it properly.
Against Maryland, that simply wasn't happening.
Ryan Day and Justin Frye are both noted pupils of Chip Kelly, who has long taught zone-blocking to his linemen by assigning numbers to defenders rather than learning countless defensive fronts. While it's not confirmed that this is still being taught inside the Woody Hayes Athletic Center in 2023, there's little reason to believe otherwise.
In this system, the center identifies the player for which he will be responsible and assigns him the number 0. From there, the play-side guard's man becomes the next defender outside, regardless if it's a down lineman or a linebacker, and gives him #1 while the tackle takes #2, and the tight end #3...........
It's not as if the players themselves aren't capable, though. Despite the run game struggles, the OSU offensive line has been solid in pass protection, with five of its seven sacks allowed this season coming on plays in which McCord simply held the ball too long.
But unless Day, Frye, and the rest of the offensive staff show they can fill the gap left by the loss of Wilson and his decades of experience, no amount of effort will make up for what plagues the Ohio State running game at this point. While this Saturday's opponent, Purdue, ranks just 85th in the nation when it comes to stopping the run, Penn State and its sixth-ranked such unit is looming on the horizon.
Film Study: Until Ohio State's O-Line Improves at Getting to Second Level Defenders, the Run Game Will Continue to Struggle
Ohio State's O-line continued to have trouble executing basic zone-blocking principles, leaving Maryland linebackers unblocked and runners with nowhere to go.
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What I want to see from this offense is some fucking attitude. I want it to be we’re coming just try to stop us.
As much as I hate UM they got the fuck you attitude for days…
As much as I hate UM they got the fuck you attitude for days…
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Captain Buckeye
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You are what you practice.
They practice fuck you extensively and we dont.
I thought I read they have Ohio State period which is 6 on 8? Trying to run the ball into an 8 man box with 6.
That’s something we would be wise to adopt.
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Onebuckfan
classof76
I’m going to DVR scum and Indiana so I can watch Indiana’s LB blow up Corrum and the OL.
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Captain Buckeye
Legend
You’re going to walk away thinking “we only got 23 against these guys?”
Ttun is getting massive amounts of praise and we’ve beat better teams with worse teams. That said they’re going to embarrass Indiana.
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