2023 tOSU Offense

[cincibuck]

Yes

He's not wrong

yes we do. It’s that stupid fucking bubble screen.

 

[cincibuck]

This.

Right, wrong or indifferent your identity is as a passing team that uses its offense to protect its defense. You have the best WR recruiter in the game and the best WR room in CFB. You have stud QB's and skill position players falling out of your ass. You have an OL that good enough at pass pro.e

Then throw the motherfucker.

1st down, 2nd down,3rd, 4th..whatever. Throw it. Have a play that you say, if we are getting beat, it's going to be because someone stopped this one magnificent sumbitch of a play right here and make that one involved MHjr.

What you don't do is try and get cute on every 3rd and short and end up outsmarting yourself with some WR jet sweep bullshit on 4th and game.

All of this makes sense until you get inside the red zone and suddenly the back line of the end zone matters. My impression is that the Bucks haven’t been elite in the red zone since Urbs went all shot gun all the time and it’s gotten worse under Day. We haven’t worried about it because the teams have been so effective outside the red zone.

 

[RB07OSU]

At this point of this, the offense is what it is. And this can be an elite offense, if you let them play to their strengths of passing the ball. If they have to go back to Haskins year type of offense, then so be it. And if that means most the country calls them soft, then so be it. I rather win the game in November, win the B1G and win an NC passing 40 times a game, and the country’s best player getting the maximum amount of targets

Abso-fucking-lutely. I don't give a shit how we win, just use your strengths and move on. Call us soft while MH Jr/Egbuka/Stover combine for 5 TD's, won't bother me whatsoever. We recruited those dudes to win games, not like we can't use them now.

 

[RB07OSU]

This.

Right, wrong or indifferent your identity is as a passing team that uses it's offense to protect it's defense. You have the best WR recruiter in the game and the best WR room in CFB. You have stud QB's and skill position players falling out of your ass. You have an OL that good enough at pass pro.

Then throw the motherfucker.

1st down, 2nd down,3rd, 4th..whatever. Throw it. Have a play that you say, if we are getting beat, it's going to be because someone stopped this one magnificent sumbitch of a play right here and make that one involved MHjr.

What you don't do is try and get cute on every 3rd and short and end up outsmarting yourself with some WR jet sweep bullshit on 4th and game.

I commented and didn't see this post before I did. I spent all that time replying and could have just said "this post right here". Definitely need to cut this shit out and own up to being an air attack offense. Is what it is, if you get the win then I will be equally as happy as if we pounded a team with the run to win.

 

[sg86]

Ryan Day is deeply insecure. He showed it after the ND game and he shows it every week with his playcalling.

This offense is not built to be a downhill power run offense and he’s determined to try to make it that to prove something. The line plays like Frye is teaching one thing in practice and Day is calling another during the games. Watching them, it feels like Day lets Frye coordinate the run game in practice and then removes him from play selection during actual games, so the guys are running plays that don’t actually use the principles they learn in practice.

It’s a fools errand. We have a great QB. We have the best and deepest receiving room in the country. We have a great TE. And Day is determined to run an offense that spends like 90% of its time within 5 yards of the line. All these dumbass screens and jet sweeps and quick outs. You have receivers who are elite route runners. Stretch the damn field.

We waste so much damn time in an offense counterintuitive to our strengths just so Day can try to prove a bunch of people wrong who will never like him anyway.

 

[MGMT]

If Fryar turns up in the hole and picks up the backside LB, and Chip follows him, he might be untouched to the end zone.

I don’t know if that makes it better or worse.

Edit: and it looks like the TE missing their blocks was a much bigger problem than the OL.

I’m not sure if Matt Jones had a specific assignment there, but it almost looks like he noticed the TE whiffs beyond words and goes “oh fuck” and proceeds to lay him out since he was untouched.

Even if that wasn’t his assignment I don’t blame him for laying that end out - you don’t have time to think in a situation like that. Just a disaster in multiple facets to your point about Fryar also.

 

[Buckeye86]

Ryan Day is deeply insecure. He showed it after the ND game and he shows it every week with his playcalling.

This offense is not built to be a downhill power run offense and he’s determined to try to make it that to prove something. The line plays like Frye is teaching one thing in practice and Day is calling another during the games. Watching them, it feels like Day lets Frye coordinate the run game in practice and then removes him from play selection during actual games, so the guys are running plays that don’t actually use the principles they learn in practice.

It’s a fools errand. We have a great QB. We have the best and deepest receiving room in the country. We have a great TE. And Day is determined to run an offense that spends like 90% of its time within 5 yards of the line. All these dumbass screens and jet sweeps and quick outs. You have receivers who are elite route runners. Stretch the damn field.

We waste so much damn time in an offense counterintuitive to our strengths just so Day can try to prove a bunch of people wrong who will never like him anyway.

I think he’s deeply concerned about bad weather more than anything else, and any number of bullshit stadiums in the Big Ten that turn into wind tunnels in even marginally bad weather.

I agree he’s being stubborn about it, but I think the ultimate goal is for the team to be better prepared for a Northwestern 2022 situation, and I don’t see how anyone can argue that’s a bad idea.

I think the solution, which also stems from stubbornness, is to call plays that the OL can run (just fire off the damn ball and block the person in front of you) rather than the plays you want them to run (slow developing stretch and pulling plays where the oline gets lost in the wash moving sideways, and the RBs aren’t particularly good—or are awful—at hitting the cutback lanes anyway).

 

[Jaxbuck]

All of this makes sense until you get inside the red zone and suddenly the back line of the end zone matters. My impression is that the Bucks haven’t been elite in the red zone since Urbs went all shot gun all the time and it’s gotten worse under Day. We haven’t worried about it because the teams have been so effective outside the red zone.

I agree 100%. I'm not saying being completely one dimensional is the best way, I'm just saying it's all we've got right now so fuck it, if you're going to die, die with your boots on type thing.

The bigger issue is the very apparent trend of how this team has gone from balanced in 2019 to one dimensional, pass first-last-and-only today.

 

[brodybuck21]

I’m not sure if Matt Jones had a specific assignment there, but it almost looks like he noticed the TE whiffs beyond words and goes “oh fuck” and proceeds to lay him out since he was untouched.

Even if that wasn’t his assignment I don’t blame him for laying that end out - you don’t have time to think in a situation like that. Just a disaster in multiple facets to your point about Fryar also.

gee scoot woof

 

[Jaxbuck]

gee scoot woof

He blocks like I go to fall weddings.

Infrequent and indifferent when I do

 

[Mike80]

If Fryar turns up in the hole and picks up the backside LB, and Chip follows him, he might be untouched to the end zone.

I don’t know if that makes it better or worse.

Edit: and it looks like the TE missing their blocks was a much bigger problem than the OL.

It gets even better.

My middle school teams runs this EXACT same play. Gee Scott isn't supposed to block the end man on the LOS. That's the dude the pulling guard should be kicking out. The tackle then cuts off the butt of the guard and hits first man he sees.

This is a HUGE problem.

 

[Onebuckfan]

We can’t run the ball ..replace Stovet and Scott with Heuerman and Vannett they complimented the line Stover and Scott are receivers. Go to one back 3wr even 4wr. Henderson will do better with more room than crowding the LOS with non blocking TES.

 

[brodybuck21]

It gets even better.

My middle school teams runs this EXACT same play. Gee Scott isn't supposed to block the end man on the LOS. That's the dude the pulling guard should be kicking out. The tackle then cuts off the butt of the guard and hits first man he sees.

This is a HUGE problem.

gee supposed to get the DB on that play?

 

[Mike80]

gee supposed to get the DB on that play?

Yup inside release up to the next level

 

[Mike80]

I’m not sure if Matt Jones had a specific assignment there, but it almost looks like he noticed the TE whiffs beyond words and goes “oh fuck” and proceeds to lay him out since he was untouched.

Even if that wasn’t his assignment I don’t blame him for laying that end out - you don’t have time to think in a situation like that. Just a disaster in multiple facets to your point about Fryar also.

Scott blocks the guy that Jones is supposed to be kicking out. Scott should take an inside release and get up field to the next level of the defense and Jones kicks out the end man on the LOS. The tackle is supposed to then cut off the kickout block and seal inside (usually looking for a scraping LB) to spring the running back.

That play is literally a blown assignment from being a TD.