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2021 tOSU Offense

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It's the hidden stuff.

Since most of the concern is about the offense I'll put this here. I was looking through a lot of different numbers because, like most I can't put my finger on what exactly is off (or what combination of factors is off). We've faced three of the better defensive teams on the schedule, racked up scads of yards against them and came close to blowing each of them out but yet, in the end, failed to score more than 30 offensive points against any of them. Under 30 in this day and age is going to put you in jeopardy of a loss and so I started looking at all kinds of things and here is what I think may be part of the puzzle:

Penalties:
OSU is #92 of 130 (bottom 1/3) in CFB logging 6.9 penalties a game
OSU is #101 in penalty yards per game at 64.9 pypg
OSU is #120 in penalty yards gained per game at 40.7
That's a net -24 yards per game

OSU is #22 (bottom 17%) in CFB with opponents getting 2.3 first downs per game via penalty
OSU is #9 (lowest) in CFB receiving only 1.1 first downs vis penalty per game
That's a net loss of 1.1 first downs per game

So we're losing a little over one first down per game and giving away 24 "hidden" yards per game.

3rd down conversions
OSU average for the season is 53.15%
Against Oregon/PSU/Nebraska it was 41.7 with a low of 35.7% against Penn State

a 41.7% 3rd down conversion rate over the season will put you down in the high 50/low 60 middle of the pack status. It isn't anywhere near good enough.

4th down conversions
vs Oregon 2/5
vs PSU 1/2
vs Neb 0/1

Those are the same as turnovers.

Turnover margin
Oregon -1
PSU +2
Neb -1

Nebraska was -2 for the majority of the game and went a long way to making it closer than it needed to be

So it's just one guys view of the hidden stuff that sure as hell isn't helping in these closer than you'd like them to be kind of games. A combination of penalties, poor money down conversions and turnovers.

Good news is most of this is in the hands of the offensive coaches and I have have faith in Day to be able to see what counter moves these teams are coming up with and then get his team to execute their own counters to the counters.
 
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3074326 said:
Both, but some of the guys got blown up today. Play calling certainly didn’t help, but it’s never good when there are three d-linemen behind the OL before a handoff is completed. Our interior really struggled today. But the play calling did little to negate the struggles.
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brodybuck21 said:
Agreed
Paris
Thayer
Jones

All missed more than 1 huge block
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Pass pro, tho....
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maybe that's what "it" is...
seems like a theme the last three outings.
selling out to protect stroud, bum shoulder and what-not?
same reason why stroud isn't running when he gets flushed out of the pocket?
 
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No facts or stats to back it up, but the penalties have been a big deal. Just seems like every time the O gets rolling, there’s a flag that puts them behind the chains or reduces a big play. Someone in a thread somewhere mentioned a lack of rhythm offensively and I think this is playing a part in it.

Not blaming the refs either. Just need to do a better job of operating within how the game is being called.
 
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808 Buck said:
No facts or stats to back it up, but the penalties have been a big deal. Just seems like every time the O gets rolling, there’s a flag that puts them behind the chains or reduces a big play. Someone in a thread somewhere mentioned a lack of rhythm offensively and I think this is playing a part in it.

Not blaming the refs either. Just need to do a better job of operating within how the game is being called.
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No kidding about the refs. There were a few times Saturday where I was, shall we say, a bit displeased at some calls against us.
 
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808 Buck said:
No facts or stats to back it up, but the penalties have been a big deal. Just seems like every time the O gets rolling, there’s a flag that puts them behind the chains or reduces a big play. Someone in a thread somewhere mentioned a lack of rhythm offensively and I think this is playing a part in it.

Not blaming the refs either. Just need to do a better job of operating within how the game is being called.
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might be interesting to look at. is there a reference site where i can get the penalty data (not just penalties per game, but the actual type of penalty and the player)?
 
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We've had too many 4th down conversion attempts this year. At least a third, and I think more like half, of those should've been punts or field goal attempts. It's one thing to be aggressive, it's another to be reckless and I think Day has been close to that line a few times. The defense is getting better (and contributed heavily to the last two wins), we've got a punter who can be a flip-the-field weapon, and a legit kicker.
 
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https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...s-true-colors-in-a-hard-fought-win-in-lincoln


It's understandable why Stroud was so rattled by the pressure at this point in the game, as the Ohio State offensive line had not lived up to expectations. The Buckeyes were forced to rely on the quick passing game because the line struggled to execute basic zone runs against a well-coached Nebraska front.

To be clear, the issues with the OSU running game had nothing to do with scheme on Saturday, but lie entirely with its execution. Though it may seem a blessing that six players have earned playing time, there are only five spots, and the constant shuffling of players in and out of the lineup or from one side to the other appears to be leading to these breakdowns.

For instance, the Buckeyes were stopped for a loss when both Husker defensive tackles penetrated the backfield and corraled TreVeyon Henderson before he ever reached the line of scrimmage. Although the play is a wide zone run meant to hit the D-gap outside the tight end, both players could have been stopped with proper communication and cohesion.
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Systems_id said:
Was going to post this. I love these breakdowns even if a lot of it goes over my head. Sounds like a lot of the issues in the run game come down to not being able to block worth a damn.
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5 individually good players not being in synch is how I read it and jives with what my eyes tell me. The whole is worth less than the sum of its parts kind of thing.

I'm not high on Stud as a recruiter, this doesn't help my opinion of him.
 
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I was never really a fan of the Let’s take our two all american tackles and play 52 card pickup with the lineup seems like starting in fall camp.

being set on moving Miller to center I think hurt us. Miller was an excellent LG last year … if you keep him at LG (and he’s available and not injured) and keep Munford & NPF at LT & RT respectively you’re only breaking in 2 new positions… but instead they went well 52 card pickup and decided to basically break in a whole new line…. not sure who’s decision that was but … doesn’t seem like a logical choice to me …

and sorry dont by the “Best 5 guys” stuff.. you need the best tackles, the best guards and the best center…. I appreciate the selflessness of Munford and him trying to help himself (i believe he’s viewed as a guard at the next level), NPF and Jones .. but I dont like the idea of moving all 5 guys around AND break ina new QB & RB
 
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