• Follow us on Twitter @buckeyeplanet and @bp_recruiting, like us on Facebook! Enjoy a post or article, recommend it to others! BP is only as strong as its community, and we only promote by word of mouth, so share away!
  • Consider registering! Fewer and higher quality ads, no emails you don't want, access to all the forums, download game torrents, private messages, polls, Sportsbook, etc. Even if you just want to lurk, there are a lot of good reasons to register!

2021 tOSU Defense

Jump to latest Follow Reply
Sort by date Sort by votes
cdiddy70 said:
Watching the games this weekend.

Utah, UC, Baylor-Ok St, Michigan.

What sticks out to me is our lack of physicality on defense. Especially in the back 7.

It is mind numbing how more physical and downhill these teams are.

Is it cultural, have we lost our hard edge since Urban left, are there recruiting issues, we’re we too young, is it our pass first out score teams with a passing game guru mindset.
Click to expand...

I don't think its a cultural issue since Urban left, the first year he was gone the defense cranked it up to 11. Ironically that was the only year we've had a clear, concise plan on defense. It's not a talent issue and its not a cultural problem. Guys aren't being put in positions to succeed and there's no confidence on an individual basis as a result.

2018 was worse than this year, by a decent margin, and those same players became world beaters the following season. The only difference? Coaching. Hit a homerun this off-season and you'll see the change we're looking for.
 
Upvote 0
RhodeIslandBuck said:
I don't think its a cultural issue since Urban left, the first year he was gone the defense cranked it up to 11. Ironically that was the only year we've had a clear, concise plan on defense. It's not a talent issue and its not a cultural problem. Guys aren't being put in positions to succeed and there's no confidence on an individual basis as a result.



2018 was worse than this year, by a decent margin, and those same players became world beaters the following season. The only difference? Coaching. Hit a homerun this off-season and you'll see the change we're looking for.
Click to expand...

Solid points.
I’d counter by saying it’s been 3 years now since Urban left.
I’ve heard numerous people who would know comment on the change in the atmosphere at The Woody.
Under Urban there was a walking on eggshells feel.
Under Day things have loosened up, for lack of a better description it’s fun.
But the argument that it is talent/coaching first and foremost is valid.
 
Upvote 0
Gunlife said:
This was my conclusion. Except it's the whole defense that was soft. Like you said no one wanted to meet anyone in a hole. They always looked tentative. Maybe it is just the extreme youth.... but IMO it's soft coaching
Click to expand...
IMO it’s a DC who doesn’t know the scheme that Day forced him to run, and therefore can’t tell the assistant coaches what to teach, who therefore can’t teach the players what they are supposed to do, who therefore look hesitant constantly.

All we need is a competent d coordinator who can install and teach an effective scheme and everything else—toughness, decisiveness, assistant coaches who look better—will follow.
 
Upvote 0
You win games in the trenches, and I warned you before the season started that this DL was not good.

The two highly-rated DEs (Zach Harrison, Tyreke Smith) have been particularly disappointing.

In 12 games in 2019, Chase Young had 16.5 sacks.

In 72 combined career games, Harrison and Smith have a combined 16.5 sacks (9.5 for Harrison; 7.0 for Smith).

This season, Harrison had 4.0 sacks in 11 games, and Smith had 3.0 sacks in 9 games. Not good.

Here are career sack totals for recent Buckeye defensive ends, with the Sack Rate being sacks/game:

Defensive EndGamesQB SacksSack Rate
Chase Young3630.5.847
Joey Bosa4126.0.634
Nick Bosa3017.5.583
Tyquan Lewis5323.5.443
Sam Hubbard4017.0.425
Noah Spence249.0.375
Zach Harrison329.5.297
Jonathon Cooper4510.0.222
Tyreke Smith407.0.175
 
Upvote 0
Chase young is probably the greatest rush end ever at osu and arguably anywhere as a prospect . The real problem is Zach may not be on Nathan Williams' level.

And certainly isn't close to tyquan lewis, Adolphus Washington, Sam Hubbard, Kenny Peterson, mike vrabel.

Who aren't close to Will Smith, Cameron Heyward, Spence pre suspension, And I assume legends like Willis go here though I haven't watched them.

And those stars are well behind to bosa, bosa, young, etc

He has one year to change things. Aidan Hutchison was behind most of the people in the Lewis tier before this season.

Some of the recent recruiting classes are not living up to their hype but Baptiste and Friday were definitely longer shots when they came in. It was just assumed that LJ would work his magic with them. On the flip side they signed plenty of talent at defensive tackle and are getting Akron level production out of too many of their interior dl. Which is wasting Garrett's talents.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
We need toughness at LB but he can’t be on the slot receiver. You wouldn’t ask Your MLB to cover Randy Moss but you expect him to tackle a Joe Mixon. UMs guards and center were on our LB and S so fast I wondered wth the DTs were doing. Rushing the passer? Losing their gap responsibility? Did they even have a gap responsibility? We never set the edge. Who’s responsibility?
 
Upvote 0
Onebuckfan said:
We need toughness at LB but he can’t be on the slot receiver. You wouldn’t ask Your MLB to cover Randy Moss but you expect him to tackle a Joe Mixon. UMs guards and center were on our LB and S so fast I wondered wth the DTs were doing. Rushing the passer? Losing their gap responsibility? Did they even have a gap responsibility? We never set the edge. Who’s responsibility?
Click to expand...
If you don't still have nightmares of Tuf chasing receivers with ankle weights on your not a true Buckeye fan imo.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
LordJeffBuck said:
You win games in the trenches, and I warned you before the season started that this DL was not good.

The two highly-rated DEs (Zach Harrison, Tyreke Smith) have been particularly disappointing.

In 12 games in 2019, Chase Young had 16.5 sacks.

In 72 combined career games, Harrison and Smith have a combined 16.5 sacks (9.5 for Harrison; 7.0 for Smith).

This season, Harrison had 4.0 sacks in 11 games, and Smith had 3.0 sacks in 9 games. Not good.
Click to expand...

Not to beat on a dead horse, but let's compare the production between certain veterans on the DL (sans Haskell Garrett) & members from the '21 class:

  • Veterans:
    upload_2021-12-6_22-32-49.png
  • Freshmen:
    upload_2021-12-6_22-35-50.png
So the veterans, with 1 extra body, 10+ extra years of experience combined in the program, and more than double the amount of snaps in '21, produced 0.5 sacks less than the freshmen.

Glass half full version: the '21 DL class looks much more promising.
 
Upvote 0
rsh said:
Not to beat on a dead horse, but let's compare the production between certain veterans on the DL (sans Haskell Garrett) & members from the '21 class:

So the veterans, with 1 extra body, 10+ extra years of experience combined in the program, and more than double the amount of snaps in '21, produced 0.5 sacks less than the freshmen.

Glass half full version: the '21 DL class looks much more promising.
Click to expand...

Yeah, I'm pretty much thinking the returning veterans are nothing more than depth next season. There will be a youth movement
 
Upvote 0
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top