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2021 CFB Playoff Discussion

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ORD_Buckeye said:
How does the East tiebreaker work. If we beat sparty and lose to tsun, do we get knocked out due to our ooc loss and then it kicks to head to head between Sparty and tsun?
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https://bigten.org/news/2011/8/10/Big_Ten_Conference_Football_Divisional_Tiebreaker.aspx

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If I understand correctly,
1. They'd all be tied at 1-1.
2. They'd all be tied at 5-1.
3. Seems pointless, but they'd all be tied at 4-0.
4. I don't know who the cross-divisional opponents for the other two teams are, so I don't know how this would play out.
5. Same - this might be where we get boned. Nebraska, Purdue, and Minnesota might not be as good as the teams the other two have played.
6. Blah blah blah.
7. We get boned here.
8. They should make an arm-wrestling match between coaches, or something. Random draw? Lame.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
How does the East tiebreaker work. If we beat sparty and lose to tsun, do we get knocked out due to our ooc loss and then it kicks to head to head between Sparty and tsun?
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Short answer, no. It’s rather a clusterfuck, but tOSU should get it since it’s all based on conference games only until point #7.

B1G See Zurp’s post right above for the detailed rules copied into this thread.

Going through the 8-step process until a CCG participant is identified, boils down to this in a 3-way tie.

If tOSU, Sparty, and TTUN all have only 1 conference loss (which only occurs with the unthinkable in The Game):

tOSU would have crossover wins against Nebraska, Purdue, and Minny.
Sparty would have crossover wins against Nebraska, Purdue, and Northwestern.
TTUN would have crossover wins against Nebraska, Wiscy, and Northwestern.

Points 1 through 3 are all about the East division, and it’s a wash in each point.

Point 4 says compare records based on winning percentage against common cross-divisional opponents. Although neither Minny nor Wiscy is a ‘common opponent’, and Sparty would be 3-0 vs. 2-0 for tOSU and TTUN, it says ‘based on winning percentage’, so each team is 100% and it should keep going to point 5.

Point 5 says compare the conference winning percentages among each team’s cross-divisional opponents. Each team has Nebraska, so if the combined record of Minny and Purdue (currently 7-3) has the best overall record in conference games, tOSU gets the nod. If it’s Wiscy and NW’ern (currently 4-6) TTUN would get it, and Sparty if it’s Purdue and NW’ern (currently 4-6). So unless NW’ern gets very hot in November, the Buckeyes are in great shape regarding the 3-way tiebreaker among teams with 1 conference loss. But it won’t hurt to pull for Purdue over NW’ern on Nov. 20th, which would eliminate any chance of the Buckeyes losing this tiebreaker.

Points 6 through 8 won’t matter as long as the combined conference record of Minny and Purdue stays ahead of the NW’ern-Purdue and NW’ern-Wiscy combined conference records. I’ve taken Nebraska out of the equation since each team will have played them.
 
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BB73 said:
Buckeyes still have a potential problem if Bama, Oklahoma, and Oregon win out. There’s a possibility that those 3 and 1-loss Georgia could be ranked 1-4, ahead of 1-loss tOSU. It’s not likely, but it is possible that the old head-to-head result could end up being a problem.
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I think Oklahoma is fucked if the Buckeyes win out. I think that is why they were ranked below Ohio State. Oklahoma needs help to jump the Buckeyes.
 
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Juggalos bringing the lulz today. Do yourselves a favor and read all the way down to the bottom post. The money shot is astounding

Bear Catlett Wrote: (Yesterday 09:22 PM)franzeal Wrote: Like that mattered. Here you go thinking college football's a sport and not a popularity contest run by some dickwads.
UC could have beaten the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on the road and we'd still be ranked lower than Ohio St and their signature win over Jerry Sandusky St.
Maybe it would have mattered, maybe it wouldn’t have mattered.

But why the fvck didn’t this team pummel both Navy and Tulane?

There really is no excuse for the lackluster performances.

And regardless if it mattered or not, it certainly gave the CFP a talking point to use against UC that they never should have had.

If UC would have taken care of business it would have forced the CFP to come up with something even more unbelievable to justify screwing UC.
"taking care of business" means winning.

UC took care of business.

This isn't a soccer match or a f-ing Miss America contest. Wins & losses are what matter.

Even if you want to look at other metrics, UC is 9th in the country in scoring offense and 2nd in scoring defense. UC has a better scoring differential than any team except... Georgia.

There's nothing else UC could have done on-the-field; this was entirely an off-the-field decision.
Unfortunately this is not the case for a G5 team. There's a different set of rules for us vs. the P5. It's not good enough to barely beat teams, particularly ones in the bottom 1/4 of FBS. And the timing of these games is most problematic. If we had this 2 game stretch early in the season and then just came off a big win against ND this week I think it would be a different story unfortunately.
Again - UC has the 3rd highest scoring differential in the country (I missed Ohio State earlier). After Georgia (the undisputed #1) and Ohio State, there is no one in the country who is doing a better job of blowing teams than UC is.

Oregon's scoring margin is 8.9 points per game. UC's is 24.3 points per game
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Juggalos bringing the lulz today. Do yourselves a favor and read all the way down to the bottom post. The money shot is astounding
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After Georgia (the undisputed #1) and Ohio State, there is no one in the country who is doing a better job of blowing teams than UC is.
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Well shit. Looks like I am on my way to Clifton boys.
 
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MGMT said:
Lmao Mississippi — at 5-3 - whom lost to fucking Memphis is ranked 17th. So at this point, they’ve done everything but outright come and say this is by far the most rigged dynamic of literally any sport in North America.

You’re literally just doing everything you can to tank any team Alabama plays. There’s literally no justification to have them ranked ahead of Oregon or MSU. The committee said ND is a top 10 team; Cincinatti fucking beats them and they’re left out of the top4?

Cincinatti should boycott their bowl game if they’re undefeated and get left out. I know that won’t happen because of money but this is just fucking ludicrous at this point
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Looks like you mean Mississippi State, the 5-3 team that’s #17 and lost to Memphis this season. They have wins over Kentucky and aTm, two teams that are ranked, but I agree that they’re way too high.

#16 Ole Miss is 6-2, with losses to Bama and Auburn. They have no wins over currently ranked teams, having beaten 4-4 Louisville, 3-5 (FCS) Austin Peay, 1-7 Tulane, 5-3 Arkansas, 4-4 Tennessee, and 4-4 LSU.
 
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BB73 said:
Looks like you mean Mississippi State, the 5-3 team that’s #17 and lost to Memphis this season. They have wins over Kentucky and aTm, two teams that are ranked, but I agree that they’re way too high.

#16 Ole Miss is 6-2, with losses to Bama and Auburn. They have no wins over currently ranked teams, having beaten 4-4 Louisville, 3-5 (FCS) Austin Peay, 1-7 Tulane, 5-3 Arkansas, 4-4 Tennessee, and 4-4 LSU.
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Kentucky’s best win is over Florida, whose best win was a close loss to Bama.

You can make the case that 10-25 is all trash rankings. But somebody has to be ranked there, right?
 
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buchtelgrad04 said:
Kentucky’s best win is over Florida, whose best win was a close loss to Bama.

You can make the case that 10-25 is all trash rankings. But somebody has to be ranked there, right?
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Kentucky could end up 9-3 or even 10-2, which sounds good, but they’ll have wins over La-Monroe, Chattanooga, and New Mexico State, And their conference wins will include Mizzou, South Carolina, and Vandy, along with unranked Florida, LSU, and possibly Tennessee. Their only decent non-conference matchup is against Louisville, a 4-4 ACC team.

The fact that almost all of the SEC teams play only 9 Power-5 opponents (Bama, aTm, Ole Miss, Miss St, Auburn, Ky, LSU, Fla, Ark, Tenn, Mizzou, S Car, and Vandy); only UGa plays 10 P5 opponents this season, needs to get more attention.

Almost all teams in the B1G and the PAC-12 are playing 10 Power-5 opponents (Purdue and Colorado play 11, and Stanford plays 12 counting ND). The SEC pads their winning percentage by having almost everybody play 3 weaker teams), the B1G, the PAC-12, and the Big XII all get 10 to 12 more certain losses by playing 9 conference games instead of 8.

aTm plays Kent State, New Mexico, and FCS Prairie View, along with a 2-6 Colorado team they barely beat 10-7 in the last couple of minutes of the game. Their crossover games are Mizzou and South Carolina. But they beat Bama as impressively as they beat Colorado, by a FG, so they’re a tough SEC team.
 
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ON IF OREGON’S HEAD-TO-HEAD OVER OHIO STATE WAS DETERMINING FACTOR...
“That was a big part of it. If you look at Ohio State, you look at who they've played so far, they won at Minnesota and they beat Penn State. That was a good game the other night. Offensively, who can argue with what's happened with (C.J.) Stroud and (TreVeyon) Henderson and (Chris) Olave and (Garrett) Wilson. That's been impressive. But they don't yet have a signature win, and because Oregon had beaten them head-to-head, that certainly was an important criteria. Oregon had also beaten similar type teams. Fresno State is 7-2 and they won at UCLA, so those sort of had some similarity with Minnesota, the Minnesota win. At the end of the day it was close enough that that head-to-head put them ahead of Ohio State, put Oregon ahead of Ohio State.”



If Alabama was undefeated, they’d still be No. 2 behind Georgia, right? So that means that losing to then unranked Texas A&M means absolutely nothing to the committee.
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:lol:
 
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