2020 ttun Shenanigans, Arguments, and Surrender Cobras (Confirmed COWARDS!)

[AJHawkfan]

I sit and drink my Friday night Martini at home instead of The Drake or Four Seasons bars.

I knew you always loved those high-end happy hours.....

 

[gmen6981]

They've never heard of online bagmen?

I know Right? It only takes a minute to set up a PayPal/Venmo account!

 

[gmen6981]

This guy HAS TO BE a long term plant...

Maybe someone needs to show him this link.........

https://online.umich.edu/online-degrees/

Now, after going to that site, I'm going to spend the rest of the day resetting my laptop to get the stink out of it.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Maybe someone needs to show him this link.........

https://online.umich.edu/online-degrees/

Now, after going to that site, I'm going to spend the rest of the day resetting my laptop to get the stink out of it.

Protip: When searching for things Michigan or Penn State related....always use an incognito browser session. You don't need targeted ads thinking you're searching for that shit because you like it.

 

[gmen6981]

Protip: When searching for things Michigan or Penn State related....always use an incognito browser session. You don't need targeted ads thinking you're searching for that shit because you like it.

Ublock Origin is one of the greatest tools ever created!

 

[kujirakira]

Shea Patterson, a similarly ranked QB prospect, just transferred to their school from Ole Miss, an exemplary pillar of academic rigor and NCAA compliance known throughout the country.

The way he ended up at Ole Miss, and their history ... strongly suggests a different bagman story.
But they don't want to talk about that.

 

[cincibuck]

The briefest of glances at their coaching staff is all the explanation you need for this phenomenon.

If you want to look long term, the Hayes/Bruce coaching tree has been exponentially better than Schembechler’s... and it’s getting to the point of absurdity.

Who does Michigan even have to look at after Harbaugh? No one worth a damn wants to coach with him, which means it’s very unlikely anyone worth a damn is going to appear to take the reins whenever Harbaugh is gone.

And their culture (and two decades of failure) prevents anyone outside from wanting anything to do with the place as long as there are marginally comparable opportunities available.

It’s not a stepping stone position, it’s a career ender for coaches with too high of expectations and too little chance of success to be appealing (see: Rodriguez, Hoke).

Meanwhile, Tressel and Meyer both started with Bruce in the 80s, and Tressel has given us at least one promising future prospect in Fickell while the Meyer/Day branch looks to reap coaching dividends for a long time.

You could write a book about all the things going wrong with ttun, but coaching tree, both right now with no one wanting to be around Harbaugh and going back decades would be a chapter in that book.

Edit: also, hat tip to Day for walking in and taking two of their best coaches right out from under Harbaugh - that was really a knife in the kidney to start off the new chapter in the rivalry.

Yep. But Michigan has what it takes to turn the program around: world-class facilities, fan base, strong alum base, money, history. They could steal Fleck from Minnesota in a heartbeat, they could give Kirby Smart an offer that would at least cause him to think - he wouldn't have to compete with Alabama, Auburn, and Florida each year - just beat Ohio State. Bad as Michigan's record has been against us, they're in a better position in the Big Ten than everyone but Penn State and the Buckeyes. Oh, and they kicked the shit out of Notre Dame last year.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Fleck would be interesting....because his first step would 100% be to change the culture. Would they let him would be a real behind the scenes battle. Hopefully there are enough Bo lifers still in place if that ever happens.

 

[cincibuck]

Saving grace ... meaning better than Braylon Edwards, Kellen Winslow Jr., Jabrill Peppers, Baker Mayfield....

It's almost like the Browns do everything possible to alienate Buckeye fans.

You left off Brandon Weeden (22nd pick in 2012) and Johnny Football. They love immaturity up there. But.... born and raised with Otto, Lou the Toe, Marion Motley, Chuck Knoll and Gene Hickerson, MacSpeedie (How's that for a great name for a wide receiver?), Bill Willis, and then came the immortal Jim Brown, along with Paul Warfield, Gary Collins, Bobby Mitchell.... those early Browns teams were fun to watch and could fill the HOF with talent and I love them almost as much as I love the Buckeyes.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Yep. But Michigan has what it takes to turn the program around: world-class facilities, fan base, strong alum base, money, history. They could steal Fleck from Minnesota in a heartbeat, they could give Kirby Smart an offer that would at least cause him to think - he wouldn't have to compete with Alabama, Auburn, and Florida each year - just beat Ohio State. Bad as Michigan's record has been against us, they're in a better position in the Big Ten than everyone but Penn State and the Buckeyes. Oh, and they kicked the shit out of Notre Dame last year.

It's been nearly 20 years for them. It's been over 30 for ND.

I'm not so sure both schools are ever coming "back". There has to be some institutional issues at play because both have had multiple bad coaching hires in a row. Kelly is by far the most successful of the bunch and that's not saying much.

The trend afoot seems to be that the elite HS talent looks at a handful of schools as NFL prep schools and it's a clear second cut down of talent that the other schools are competing for.

OSU has been lucky/good to have the Urban Meyer recruiting machine in place right when this shift is taking place. I don't think it's something you can oversell. 5-6 schools fishing from one talent pool and the rest having to fish from another, hoping that some of their talent blossoms, is isn't something that can easily be overcome and the longer it goes on the more cemented 1st and 2nd class citizen status becomes.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Fleck would be interesting....because his first step would 100% be to change the culture. Would they let him would be a real behind the scenes battle. Hopefully there are enough Bo lifers still in place if that ever happens.

Fleck is the only name out there that really worries me. Hopefully, a combination of Minny writing him a blank check and a desire to stay in the West would keep him in place. I just don't see Kirby Smart leaving UGA to deal with tsun's politics.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

It's been nearly 20 years for them. It's been over 30 for ND.

I'm not so sure both schools are ever coming "back". There has to be some institutional issues at play because both have had multiple bad coaching hires in a row. Kelly is by far the most successful of the bunch and that's not saying much.

The trend afoot seems to be that the elite HS talent looks at a handful of schools as NFL prep schools and it's a clear second cut down of talent that the other schools are competing for.

OSU has been lucky/good to have the Urban Meyer recruiting machine in place right when this shift is taking place. I don't think it's something you can oversell. 5-6 schools fishing from one talent pool and the rest having to fish from another, hoping that some of their talent blossoms, is isn't something that can easily be overcome and the longer it goes on the more cemented 1st and 2nd class citizen status becomes.

I think that this is incredibly well said. There’s no question that it’s looking more and more like the haves and have-nots. Good to be a have.

 

[Oh8ch]

It's been nearly 20 years for them. It's been over 30 for ND.

I'm not so sure both schools are ever coming "back". There has to be some institutional issues at play because both have had multiple bad coaching hires in a row. Kelly is by far the most successful of the bunch and that's not saying much.

The trend afoot seems to be that the elite HS talent looks at a handful of schools as NFL prep schools and it's a clear second cut down of talent that the other schools are competing for.

OSU has been lucky/good to have the Urban Meyer recruiting machine in place right when this shift is taking place. I don't think it's something you can oversell. 5-6 schools fishing from one talent pool and the rest having to fish from another, hoping that some of their talent blossoms, is isn't something that can easily be overcome and the longer it goes on the more cemented 1st and 2nd class citizen status becomes.

Not to take this OT, but I think it is not only NFL prep but everybody wants to play in the playoffs. It has a very different level of attraction than "play in a major bowl game". To date, of the 24 available playoff spots in 6 years four teams have filled 17 of those spots. I have always been an opponent of expansion, but if they ever go to 8 teams it will give a lot more schools leverage to land top tier prospects.

That said, as long as we own the B1G it wont be much help for Michigan.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Good to be a have.

If not for the grace of a tattoo scandal OSU most likely would not have the opportunity to be a legit "have"

Funny how things work out

 

[LordJeffBuck]

The trend afoot seems to be that the elite HS talent looks at a handful of schools as NFL prep schools and it's a clear second cut down of talent that the other schools are competing for.

OSU has been lucky/good to have the Urban Meyer recruiting machine in place right when this shift is taking place. I don't think it's something you can oversell. 5-6 schools fishing from one talent pool and the rest having to fish from another, hoping that some of their talent blossoms, is isn't something that can easily be overcome and the longer it goes on the more cemented 1st and 2nd class citizen status becomes.

Right now, the elite first tier teams are Ohio State, Clemson, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana State, and Oklahoma. Given its local talent base, Southern Cal could also join that list. If NIL rights ever become a reality, then Oregon will become a major player due to its Nike connections.

Notre Dame will always have a unique appeal, but it probably won't be enough to get them back into the first tier.

Who the Hell knows what's wrong with Texas. They should definitely be in the first tier, but are struggling to maintain second tier status.

So Michigan is stuck in the second tier, trying to distinguish itself from the likes of Penn State, Wisconsin, Florida, Auburn, Texas A+M, Tennessee, Washington, and a suddenly energized Minnesota and North Carolina. Demographics and weather will always be against Michigan, and right now they aren't winning big games or developing talent. So what's Michigan's sale pitch? Arrogance, entitlement, and pre-WWI national championships. Good luck with that....