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2020 Team Discussion Thread

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KOBuckeye said:
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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

This shit is ridiculous, they'll stall until it's too late to have a season, while we sit on the edges of our seats, then be like "We'll maybe have a season in the spring!" when it's just not happening.

Reminds me of when my nephew would always ask me and the adults "Hey can we go to (insert place here)?" We'd respond "Yeah, we can go later!" He would go back to playing and ask intermittently if we could go with the same response until he fell asleep, all the while we had the power whether or not we could go to that place despite his fledgling and useless demands.

Yeah, that's my way of saying that Ohio State and all the other schools that want to play are being treated like my toddler nephew.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I think the Ohio AG threatening to sue the B1G and member institutions that vote no might give enough extra impetus to get a vote to still play by late October.

Who knows?
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I have't really looked all that closely at either the Nebraska suit or the one proposed by the Ohio AG. But, from a quick glance, I think Yost's (The Ohio AGs) position is pretty interesting, in contrast to the Nebraska suit. Blaming the B1G for OSU being forced to be in breach, and at a cost of 10s of milliions ... well..that seems to have some teeth.

The problem with the Nebraska suit is that the plaintiff's there, the players as I understand it, don't have any real cause of action against the B1G conference.. and to the extent that they do, it's clear the B1G was within it's discretion - even if we all disagree with that discretion being exercised as it was. As an aside, I am still not sure if the B1G is a public or a private organization. In as much as the Nebraska suit seems aimed at gaining access to documents through discovery - as a opposed to a simple public records request (and maybe I missed it, maybe they did make a request and the suit is based on a refusal to meet the records request, which would change my analysis some) - it seems the COP/C is a private entity. If so, I think that pretty well covers why all the redactions to the documents noted a page ago. I know some like to attribute some sinister purpose to every decision being made.... I can't and won't change your minds... but.. it's not unusual and, if I'm right that they're a private organization, I think it's pretty clear we don't want to make private entities have to turn over whatever the fuck is asked for in discovery. You're not entitled to everything you ask for... nor should you be... An easy example to see what I'm getting at is trade secrets. I can't sue Coca Cola for some nebulous "injury" owing to their board deliberations and then demand discovery that includes their recipe for coca cola.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
I have't really looked all that closely at either the Nebraska suit or the one proposed by the Ohio AG. But, from a quick glance, I think Yost's (The Ohio AGs) position is pretty interesting, in contrast to the Nebraska suit. Blaming the B1G for OSU being forced to be in breach, and at a cost of 10s of milliions ... well..that seems to have some teeth.

The problem with the Nebraska suit is that the plaintiff's there, the players as I understand it, don't have any real cause of action against the B1G conference.. and to the extent that they do, it's clear the B1G was within it's discretion - even if we all disagree with that discretion being exercised as it was. As an aside, I am still not sure if the B1G is a public or a private organization. In as much as the Nebraska suit seems aimed at gaining access to documents through discovery - as a opposed to a simple public records request (and maybe I missed it, maybe they did make a request and the suit is based on a refusal to meet the records request, which would change my analysis some) - it seems the COP/C is a private entity. If so, I think that pretty well covers why all the redactions to the documents noted a page ago. I know some like to attribute some sinister purpose to every decision being made.... I can't and won't change your minds... but.. it's not unusual and, if I'm right that they're a private organization, I think it's pretty clear we don't want to make private entities have to turn over whatever the fuck is asked for in discovery. You're not entitled to everything you ask for... nor should you be... An easy example to see what I'm getting at is trade secrets. I can't sue Coca Cola for some nebulous "injury" owing to their board deliberations and then demand discovery that includes their recipe for coca cola.
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This Big 10 Civil War is becoming quite entertaining to me. You get PSU researchers writing papers about heart abnormalities and Michigan doctors basically saying you can use that research to wipe your ass because the data is all wrong. You've got a Partisan President at Michigan that everyone assumes is balking at season for political reasons, and the Nebraska President basically calling him a pussy. Meanwhile the Ohio AG is now threatening a lawsuit for tens of millions because Ohio State will be breaching contracts if we don't play in the fall.

Leaders and Legends.

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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
I have't really looked all that closely at either the Nebraska suit or the one proposed by the Ohio AG. But, from a quick glance, I think Yost's (The Ohio AGs) position is pretty interesting, in contrast to the Nebraska suit. Blaming the B1G for OSU being forced to be in breach, and at a cost of 10s of milliions ... well..that seems to have some teeth.

The problem with the Nebraska suit is that the plaintiff's there, the players as I understand it, don't have any real cause of action against the B1G conference.. and to the extent that they do, it's clear the B1G was within it's discretion - even if we all disagree with that discretion being exercised as it was. As an aside, I am still not sure if the B1G is a public or a private organization. In as much as the Nebraska suit seems aimed at gaining access to documents through discovery - as a opposed to a simple public records request (and maybe I missed it, maybe they did make a request and the suit is based on a refusal to meet the records request, which would change my analysis some) - it seems the COP/C is a private entity. If so, I think that pretty well covers why all the redactions to the documents noted a page ago. I know some like to attribute some sinister purpose to every decision being made.... I can't and won't change your minds... but.. it's not unusual and, if I'm right that they're a private organization, I think it's pretty clear we don't want to make private entities have to turn over whatever the fuck is asked for in discovery. You're not entitled to everything you ask for... nor should you be... An easy example to see what I'm getting at is trade secrets. I can't sue Coca Cola for some nebulous "injury" owing to their board deliberations and then demand discovery that includes their recipe for coca cola.
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I’ve not looked at the case yet either, but and I’m not a lawyer, but I think you’re right. The Ohio AG getting involved starts to open up a can of worms that I don’t think the B1G anticipated (well... duh, right?).

Consider: Could the B1G be considered to be on the hook for damages to the State of Ohio for lost tax revenue? And the other states in the B1G footprint? I’m suggesting that this goes beyond tOSU breaking contracts. I’m suggesting that the B1G decision may be associated with damages to the states in the B1G footprint and the local community governments.

Consider: Could the B1G be considered to be on the hook for damages to local businesses that have revenue directly tied to B1G game days? Could this reach class action status?

Consider: Would the B1G have brass balls big enough to start letting those questions go to trial?

Again, I’m not a lawyer, so I’m not sure what the requirements would have to be in order for the B1G to be on the hook. Negligence? But I’m pretty sure that if following the above lines and a negligence claim, the discovery process would get very interesting. Subscribing to the tin-foil hat of the month club, if decisions were being made to not play due to anything but the pandemic, I think there’s a strong case for liability for damages. Even if it were nothing more than the pandemic that is driving their decisions, I suspect that there’s plenty of evidence that may suggest that, while the initial decision may have been a good one based on the information at the time, new information and testing post the decision would have likely sufficiently mitigated the concerns the B1G had when the original decision was made. As such, could the B1G be liable under some form of dereliction of duty?

It’s all very interesting. Sadly, the political weaponization of the B1G season (by both sides) makes it nearly impossible to sort out real from mere political posturing.

Fuck ‘em all until the kids who want to play get to play.
 
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sparcboxbuck said:
I’ve not looked at the case yet either, but and I’m not a lawyer, but I think you’re right. The Ohio AG getting involved starts to open up a can of worms that I don’t think the B1G anticipated (well... duh, right?).

Consider: Could the B1G be considered to be on the hook for damages to the State of Ohio for lost tax revenue? And the other states in the B1G footprint? I’m suggesting that this goes beyond tOSU breaking contracts. I’m suggesting that the B1G decision may be associated with damages to the states in the B1G footprint and the local community governments.

Consider: Could the B1G be considered to be on the hook for damages to local businesses that have revenue directly tied to B1G game days?

Consider: Would the B1G have brass balls big enough to start letting those questions go to trial?

Again, I’m not a lawyer, so I’m not sure what the requirements would have to be in order for the B1G to be on the hook. Negligence? But I’m pretty sure that if following the above lines and a negligence claim, the discovery process would get very interesting. Subscribing to the tin-foil hat of the month club, if decisions were being made to not play due to anything but the pandemic, I think there’s a strong case for liability for damages. Even if it were nothing more than the pandemic that is driving their decisions, I suspect that there’s plenty of evidence that may suggest that, while the initial decision may have been a good one based on the information at the time, new information and testing post the decision would have likely sufficiently mitigated the concerns the B1G had when the original decision was made. As such, could the B1G be liable under some form of dereliction of duty?

It’s all very interesting. Sadly, the political weaponization of the B1G season (by both sides) makes it nearly impossible to sort out real from mere political posturing.

Fuck ‘em all until the kids who want to play get to play.
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Probably tortuous interference vis a vis Ohio State. I am doubtful local business cold sue for damages and be successful. I am also doubtful that the State of Ohio could sue for lost tax revenues. Well... of course, they could.... just not so sure it's got any chance to win the day.

I can't say the likelihood of success should such a claim be brought to trial... But, you're third "consider" really gets to the point - does the B1G (and, really, all the other conferences (who could file amicus briefs owing to their own strong interest in the potential consequences of a judicial finding)) really want a court to weigh in here?
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Probably tortuous interference vis a vis Ohio State. I am doubtful local business cold sue for damages and be successful. I am also doubtful that the State of Ohio could sue for lost tax revenues. Well... of course, they could.... just not so sure it's got any chance to win the day.

I can't say the likelihood of success should such a claim be brought to trial... But, you're third "consider" really gets to the point - does the B1G (and, really, all the other conferences (who could file amicus briefs owing to their own strong interest in the potential consequences of a judicial finding)) really want a court to weigh in here?
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Whenever lawyers are involved, it’s torturous interference.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Probably tortuous interference vis a vis Ohio State. I am doubtful local business cold sue for damages and be successful. I am also doubtful that the State of Ohio could sue for lost tax revenues. Well... of course, they could.... just not so sure it's got any chance to win the day.

I can't say the likelihood of success should such a claim be brought to trial... But, you're third "consider" really gets to the point - does the B1G (and, really, all the other conferences (who could file amicus briefs owing to their own strong interest in the potential consequences of a judicial finding)) really want a court to weigh in here?
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I swear to GOD if that link, which is yet to be clicked, is me getting Rick Rolled imma come for you. LOL.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Probably tortuous interference vis a vis Ohio State. I am doubtful local business cold sue for damages and be successful. I am also doubtful that the State of Ohio could sue for lost tax revenues. Well... of course, they could.... just not so sure it's got any chance to win the day.

I can't say the likelihood of success should such a claim be brought to trial... But, you're third "consider" really gets to the point - does the B1G (and, really, all the other conferences (who could file amicus briefs owing to their own strong interest in the potential consequences of a judicial finding)) really want a court to weigh in here?
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OK, confirming that I was not Rick Rolled.

But yeah, the third consideration is the leverage. Just load up as many claims as you can until they roll over would be my strategy. And even if the claims are frivolous, imagine the B1G PR machine dealing with a public suit from business owners in 14-cities claiming damages. Seriously, it would be the legal / business equivalent of them having to answer "when did you stop beating your wife..."
 
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I knew we would never get to see the full potential of this 2020 squad which was just so depressing. With Wyatt opting out it is now official. Even if the Buckeyes play we will miss a key piece that was planning on playing.

Today you win with a decent defense and an offense that can drop 40+ on anyone.

The 2020 Buckeyes were set to be that kind of team.....except something better than decent on defense.

I believe this team, at full strength, could have been one of the best Buckeye offenses ever. And now we will never know.
 
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