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2018 tOSU Offense Discussion

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Fungo Squiggly said:
Something I've wondered about is what Dwayne is responsible for regarding changing plays at the line. Is that something they've put on him or is that more from the sidelines? Just wondering if perhaps he isn't as good at recognizing defenses and making the proper changes?
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I think Meyer mentioned last week that Haskins was changing a bit more than 1 in 3 called plays at the LOS. I think he also said he is doing well at that task.
 
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Steve19 said:
I think Meyer mentioned last week that Haskins was changing a bit more than 1 in 3 called plays at the LOS. I think he also said he is doing well at that task.
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would be curious to see how many of those changes are from Runs to Passes.... or what % of those plays were positive or negative... just because you can change it doesn’t mean you should....
 
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This really teaches me how important an offensive line is. We've got the best QB, great proven running backs, pretty good WRs, and this offense lays a stinker against a bunch of 2 stars. Having a good line is the most important part of the offense, that's why Iowa and Wisconsin consistently win.
 
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Onebuckfan said:
Plus the interior of the line needs to block a their man and let the back find the lane. Too much hitting and moving on then staying with the first man.
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Run running plays like they're running plays. Haskins at the mesh point only means the back is going to get the ball and it allows the defense that extra tiny bit of time to attack the running back. Those stupid mesh points are useless without a QB who's a threat to run.
 
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NFBuck said:
And, let me be clear, it is not Haskins' fault. The coaches have, maybe, the best pure passer in program history and have utterly failed to adapt the scheme to his considerable talents. This should be the 2008 OU offense that Wilson fucking coordinated. Instead it's Texas Tech. That is a spectacular and total breakdown in the coaching department.
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Well no they've adapted to fit his talents by throwing 70 times a game but they just have no clue how to compliment him
 
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NFBuck said:
And, let me be clear, it is not Haskins' fault. The coaches have, maybe, the best pure passer in program history and have utterly failed to adapt the scheme to his considerable talents. This should be the 2008 OU offense that Wilson fucking coordinated. Instead it's Texas Tech. That is a spectacular and total breakdown in the coaching department.
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Exactly. It's not some sort of fucking rubik's cube to have a running game without a running QB. Oklahoma had 2 1,000 yard rushers that year. Part of this is the OL but the other part...

It's almost as if the staff is keeping it close to the style of years past because they know Haskins is moving on and they don't want to change things again next year.

If that's the case, why even bother to recruit guys like Haskins?
 
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1926Buckeyes said:
Exactly. It's not some sort of fucking rubik's cube to have a running game without a running QB. Oklahoma had 2 1,000 yard rushers that year. Part of this is the OL but the other part...

It's almost as if the staff is keeping it close to the style of years past because they know Haskins is moving on and they don't want to change things again next year.

If that's the case, why even bother to recruit guys like Haskins?
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uhm... Look at the roster bud.. Martel = Dual, Baldwin = Pro, Mathis (sp?) = Pro, Miller = Pro (i’m assuming he’s more pro than Dual)... they keep recruiting Pro style... its not going away...
 
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NFBuck said:
And, let me be clear, it is not Haskins' fault. The coaches have, maybe, the best pure passer in program history and have utterly failed to adapt the scheme to his considerable talents. This should be the 2008 OU offense that Wilson fucking coordinated. Instead it's Texas Tech. That is a spectacular and total breakdown in the coaching department.
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That’s been the goal since 2015 right? Install Warinner and Beck and voilà you got the record breaking 2007 Kansas Jayhawks offense. But then it turns out neither one had a clue how to implement a passing attack against modern coverages or call plays or constrain a defense.

Scratch that. Install Wilson as OC and Day as QB coach. One problem: JT Barrett’s limitations. For all the things JT Barret was - winner, leader, teammate - he wasn’t the strong armed, decisive quarterback need to throw screens, flats, slants, or at least his coaches didn’t think he was.

Insert Dwayne Haskins. 2008 Oklahoma offense? What started out so promising has delvolved into what we saw at Purdue. I don’t think Dwayne wants to throw the ball 70 times per game.

In my view, there’s three massive pieces missing:

1. An offensive line: read my previous post. I’d grade their pass blocking a B- and their run blocking a F.

2. Wide Receiver playmaking ability: This is a veteran group that has been mostly reliable this entire season sans Austin Mack in Texas. They’ve played a lot of football, and they are missing the same exact thing they were in their first games: playmaking ability. I don’t mean getting open and catching the football. That’s the job of a WR, though we struggled with that at times under ZS. I mean catching contested balls, catching and turning up field, and breaking tackles. That true threat isn’t there. Even when he was here (Michael Thomas (2014, 2015 editions) the staff refused to utilize him.

3. Play calling Aggressiveness: Maybe the players would give that 110% if the coaches did. I don’t mean passing 70 times a game. That’s foolish. Even Kliff Kingsbury think we need to pass less. We’ve said over and over that the Meyer playbook needs to be scrapped, or heavily modified. Quit being so uptight. Let the players have some fun. Run a trick play. They’re pressing and pigeon holing their calls, which happens time and time again with Meyer teams as the season goes on.
 
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Honest question.. if Urban goes with his safety blanket and chooses Burrows as his QB... does the running game and there for the offense look different. I think yes because the Zone Read is back in play, the RPOs become runs more often making it easier for the line to block... we dont have the passing ability of Haskins but Burrows seems better than Barrett which should keep some of the passing stats up.
 
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1926Buckeyes said:
Exactly. It's not some sort of fucking rubik's cube to have a running game without a running QB. Oklahoma had 2 1,000 yard rushers that year. Part of this is the OL but the other part...

It's almost as if the staff is keeping it close to the style of years past because they know Haskins is moving on and they don't want to change things again next year.

If that's the case, why even bother to recruit guys like Haskins?
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Oklahoma did it mainly out of single running back ace sets, and literally every Meyer play requires 2 backs.
 
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