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2018 tOSU Offense Discussion

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1926Buckeyes said:
Exactly. It's not some sort of fucking rubik's cube to have a running game without a running QB. Oklahoma had 2 1,000 yard rushers that year. Part of this is the OL but the other part...

It's almost as if the staff is keeping it close to the style of years past because they know Haskins is moving on and they don't want to change things again next year.

If that's the case, why even bother to recruit guys like Haskins?
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Yeah i agree...

I think thats why we looked damn good first three weeks. Day/Wilson don't mind having someone who is a pure passer but to UFM this is like a new language.

As Urban said he's use to always having something (the QB run) and now it's not there and it's weird.

What I agree with most though is why even recruit a pass first player if it's going to make us awkward or uncomfortable? I've been nervous that we recruit pocket passers for this very reason... It's not who we really want to be and we arent comfortable with a QB who does not run.

OhioState001 said:
This really teaches me how important an offensive line is. We've got the best QB, great proven running backs, pretty good WRs, and this offense lays a stinker against a bunch of 2 stars. Having a good line is the most important part of the offense, that's why Iowa and Wisconsin consistently win.
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Dude we win more than Iowa and Wisconsin lol... I would just say "that's why we've won in the past".

Shit we probably put just as many in the league the past few years as them anyways.

Side note I really really wish we would give Tate some looks inside the red zone. In 2015 when we had this issue with Cardale we put JT in once we got in the red zone and it paid off. So what are we waiting for?
 
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Poe McKnoe said:
Oklahoma did it mainly out of single running back ace sets, and literally every Meyer play requires 2 backs.
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Right, so make an evolution that doesn't require a second runner in the backfield at all times. I'm not sure why this wasn't already committed to this preseason. I agree wholeheartedly with your post above. All 3 of those points are spot on.

Meyer seems to still be in the same offensive crisis that he's been in since the end of 2014. He simply can't let go of some of his old habits and it's dragging down his teams.
 
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I’ve said this before but I’m actually more concerned about the offense going forward than the defense. We’ve seen defense oscillate between total shit and championship level before. The right hire has proven to fix that. The offense, feels too rigid to fix and is virtually inflexible. Feels like the coordinators are trying to build an interstellar spaceship using parts from a an old, rusty 1960s station wagon. You can’t tell me Kevin goddamn Wilson can’t build an effective running game out of the spread with a pocket passer at QB.
 
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I'm still trying to process how it went so wrong for this offense on Saturday. My guess is the passing chart tells the story how the Buckeyes somehow morphed into Purdue circa mid-2000's with Curtis Painter or Kyle Orton- a whole lot of underneath in between the 20's that turned a daunting (:roll1:) defense into a bend-don't-break. Buckeyes played right into it and let Purdue dictate the entire night.

It wasn't exactly an inspiring gameplan- not a lot of downfield, no energy, no urgency. This offense vs. Minnesota and Purdue seems content to condense games and it boggles my mind.

The side to side stuff in the redzone is infuriating. No shots up the middle, no TE's slipping up the field, no back of endzone routes, no attacking the defense to get them on their heels at all. The most accurate passer- both short and deep- in school history and they button it up to not trust him across the middle. Even 4th down they only trust him on an outside bubble screen, as if every single defender isn't already within 5 yards. They could have ran 4 verts against Purdue's secondary and hit 25% of them. Their CB's are awful and were getting burned repeatedly, but most of the design was for swings, TE outs and WR's underneath. My only credit to Purdue is they tackled like they haven't and will not again this season. Everything else was simply OSU laying down and submitting.

Again, this team is wound so tight, both in demeanor and playcalling from what I witnessed the last 2 weeks.

Way more disappointed with this side of the ball- Purdue and Minnesota (gave up 55 to Iowa!)?? Cannot wrap my head around it.
 
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To climb on board with jax's analogy of a fireballing pitcher, every batter will eventually adjust to the speed of the pitch. It might still work a lot of the times, but if you don't develop a change-up or a slider to keep the hitter honest, the batters are going to sit dead-red on that fastball and pound this shit out of it when they get right. This team has one plus pitch right now and the off-speed shit isn't anywhere near the plate. Figure it out, coaches. Soon.
 
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This offensive line does not sustain blocks. I’m just now watching the Purdue game. There were so many plays in the red zone where the O-line just needed to sustain a block for a fraction of a second longer and Dobbins would have scored.

It isn’t scheme, playcalling or lack of a running QB that is hurting this offense. It is an offensive line that makes a ton of mistakes and does not finish blocks.

Let’s see one of the O-Linemen come out next game, engage a block, sustain the block, keep blocking after the whistle... Hell, try to drive a MFer out of the stadium. Penalty be damned. Just set an effing precedent.
 
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Urban Meyer Using Bye Week to Look at Schematic Changes

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Welcome to Ohio State’s bye week. It’s the time during the season when a coaching staff can get out on the road and recruit a little bit, or they can self scout tendencies that have accumulated over the season, or they can get busy working on fixes to problems that have plagued their team all season long.

For Urban Meyer and his coaching staff, they are doing some recruiting, but the focus is on fixing their most glaring problems this season. And those fixes may involve some schematic changes as well.

“Well, this bye week is going to give us an opportunity to evaluate some schemes,” Meyer said on Tuesday’s Big Ten coaches teleconference.

“Obviously, we’re having [problems]. There’s other things we do very well, and then there’s things that we don’t. It’s glaringly obvious what the issues are.”

Most of the coaching staff went out recruiting, but Meyer kept the offensive and defensive coordinators back in Columbus so that they could begin the process of solving those problems. They spent the entire day discussing the problems and the solutions.

“They’re glaring,” Meyer said of the issues. “And that’s the red zone on offense, the ability to run the ball when you have to run it, and then on defense it’s the damn big plays. To pinpoint the issues with you in a 20-second answer, you can’t do that. It’s more complicated than that. That’s what we’re working on.”

The red zone offense is not a new problem for the Buckeyes. The last time they had a drop-back passer, they ran into this same struggle. The offense under Cardale Jones in 2015 had difficulties punching it in, so they turned to J.T. Barrett’s legs to get the to paydirt.

The offensive coaching staff is different than it was back then, so perhaps the answers will be different as well. They have to find a way run the ball better with quarterback Dwayne Haskins on the field. If they can do that, the difficulties in the red zone won’t be so difficult.

“I have to say we spent at least 12 hours on that yesterday,” Meyer said. “That’s something that is a focus for the next two weeks. It has to happen. We have to take advantage of our backs and our backs have to run through some tackles a little more aggressively. That is something that has to happen.”

Entire article: https://theozone.net/2018/10/urban-meyer-major-changes/
 
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ScriptOhio said:
Urban Meyer Using Bye Week to Look at Schematic Changes

DSC_2678-Edited.jpg


Welcome to Ohio State’s bye week. It’s the time during the season when a coaching staff can get out on the road and recruit a little bit, or they can self scout tendencies that have accumulated over the season, or they can get busy working on fixes to problems that have plagued their team all season long.

For Urban Meyer and his coaching staff, they are doing some recruiting, but the focus is on fixing their most glaring problems this season. And those fixes may involve some schematic changes as well.

“Well, this bye week is going to give us an opportunity to evaluate some schemes,” Meyer said on Tuesday’s Big Ten coaches teleconference.

“Obviously, we’re having [problems]. There’s other things we do very well, and then there’s things that we don’t. It’s glaringly obvious what the issues are.”

Most of the coaching staff went out recruiting, but Meyer kept the offensive and defensive coordinators back in Columbus so that they could begin the process of solving those problems. They spent the entire day discussing the problems and the solutions.

“They’re glaring,” Meyer said of the issues. “And that’s the red zone on offense, the ability to run the ball when you have to run it, and then on defense it’s the damn big plays. To pinpoint the issues with you in a 20-second answer, you can’t do that. It’s more complicated than that. That’s what we’re working on.”

The red zone offense is not a new problem for the Buckeyes. The last time they had a drop-back passer, they ran into this same struggle. The offense under Cardale Jones in 2015 had difficulties punching it in, so they turned to J.T. Barrett’s legs to get the to paydirt.

The offensive coaching staff is different than it was back then, so perhaps the answers will be different as well. They have to find a way run the ball better with quarterback Dwayne Haskins on the field. If they can do that, the difficulties in the red zone won’t be so difficult.

“I have to say we spent at least 12 hours on that yesterday,” Meyer said. “That’s something that is a focus for the next two weeks. It has to happen. We have to take advantage of our backs and our backs have to run through some tackles a little more aggressively. That is something that has to happen.”

Entire article: https://theozone.net/2018/10/urban-meyer-major-changes/
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Always takes a loss for this kind of thing to happen... They normally get it fixed too with 2015 (pounding ttun) and 2017 (pounding sparty) being prime examples.

Here's hoping, but unlike the past seasons its both sides of the ball with some pretty bad scheme issues. I think offensively we will struggle all year because I don't think this OL is built to run block. I think defensively we will improve though because its just dumb issues hurting us.
 
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bukIpower said:
Always takes a loss for this kind of thing to happen... They normally get it fixed too with 2015 (pounding ttun) and 2017 (pounding sparty) being prime examples.

Here's hoping, but unlike the past seasons its both sides of the ball with some pretty bad scheme issues. I think offensively we will struggle all year because I don't think this OL is built to run block. I think defensively we will improve though because its just dumb issues hurting us.
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Interesting OL comment......

Ohio State’s loss has way worse playoff implications than we thought

AKA Michigan...

Just as Okudah was put in a spot which he might not have been comfortable with (i.e., playing a full game in place of a more experienced defensive back), center Michael Jordan struggled Saturday at the center position, earning a grade of 56.6 on all 101 offensive snaps played for the Buckeyes. It has to be said that Jordan’s strength is at the guard spot, where he earned first-team All-Big Ten honors last season and Freshman All-American honors the year before. He followed in the footsteps of Billy Price and Pat Elflein this season, but the move may not have been what was best for the line as a whole. Last year, Jordan was an anchor at guard, and he likely would be the best player on the line this year if he moved back to his old spot.

Entire article: https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2...lahoma-bye-week-jeffrey-okudah-michael-jordan

The writer might have a good point here about Jordan.
 
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